Re: VNC plans.

2002-11-22 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 02:21:18PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 01:49:33PM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > 0) Start using alternatives for vnc. > > > > 0.1) Link svncviewer staically with libvncauth instead > >of dynamically. > > > > 1) Package tightvnc as: > >t

Re: VNC plans.

2002-11-22 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:04:15PM -0600, Oliver Xymoron wrote: > > 2) Change the vnc package to realvnc > >realvncserver, provides vncserver > >realvncviewer, provides vncviewer > >vnc-common (I have to check what's in there). > > Perhaps you should make the virtual package rfbserver

Re: Flame against non-free burning, time to think.

2002-11-22 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Branden said: >Yes. So? It looks like the non-free section is getting larger and >larger, and more deserving of a team of shepherds that can take proper >care of it. It is, however, not in Debian's charter to do so. Yeah, it 'looks like'. To you. To people who look at the percentages, it do

Re: RFH: APT

2002-11-22 Thread Adam Heath
On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > You touched on a few of them at the end. The new version stuff, new > Release files, signed Release files and translated package descriptions > are the most evident missing functions. Well, on this note, the version stuff is no longer a problem. I por

Re: Test package apt repositories, and "Release" files.

2002-11-22 Thread Marc Haber
On 21 Nov 2002 00:48:31 -0800, "Karl M. Hegbloom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think that the "Release" file for ~njordan, corresponding to: > >deb http://people.debian.org/~njordan kde3.0/ > >... should look like: > >Archive: unstable >Component: main >Origin: Debian/~njordan >Label: Debian >Arch

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread sean finney
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 03:30:10AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Well, the first (only!) time they will install apt/dpkg on a system is > during the dbootstrap in debian-installer. I'd object very strongly if > such a question were asked by d-i. Debconf is doable, but it'd have to why woul

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Roberto Suarez Soto
On Nov/21, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Current cost of hard disk is something between $1.00 and $1.50 per > gigabyte. I may be wrong, but I assume you're talking IDE here. And, IMHO, IDE disks are not the best thing for a medium/high traffic server. -- Roberto Suarez Soto

Re: s/(non-free|contrib)/non-debian/g?

2002-11-22 Thread sean finney
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:52:16PM -0600, Oliver Xymoron wrote: > Then perhaps we could just s/(non-free|contrib)/non-debian/. now that's a good idea. i think it would make a very clear statement that the stuff was not part of the debian distribution, allowing debian to call itself completely f

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Jason" == Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jason> PGP signatures have a signature ID and a date that are ment to be used to Jason> prevent against replay attacks. I forget the exact details but there is a Jason> gpg mode that prints it out. The db.debian.org gateways all mak

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 08:35:03PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Branden> It's been said that self-censorship is the worst form of > Branden> censorship. I guess that isn't the case when we're asking > Branden> other people to practice it. > > Is politeness self censorship, then

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 22/11/2002 à 05:41, Brian May a écrit : > > A secure way to handle this would be a challenge/response > > authentification, or a system similar to SSH's one-time passwords. > > No, I think it is an inherent problem with using E-Mail for such things. > > As long as E-Mail is used, the poss

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Othmar Pasteka
hi, On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 06:59:32PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > Right; if that happens, then those mirrors won't carry those > additional architectures. No harm done. I, as a mirror maintainer, would find it quite annoying having to look what additional archs are out there and what I

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
Thomas Bushnell, BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> There's "how much does disk space cost?", and then there's "we have x >> disk space available currently, and no budget for expansion right now; >> we only use y GB of it; how much can we mirror with the

Re: Ask yourself some questions

2002-11-22 Thread Emile van Bergen
Hi, On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:10:31PM +0100, Yven Leist wrote: > On Thursday 21 November 2002 16:28, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Well, the dismal failure of that one is noted. > > Just for the record, I actually found it quite funny. > And I'm not exactly in favour of the GR... (just to refu

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:36:12AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 11:51:34AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: >>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:06:40AM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: I don't believe that transfer will be CPU bound, bu

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 12:24:15AM +1100, Glenn McGrath wrote: > "In addition Portage supports the concept of SLOTs. In the development of > Gentoo Linux its developers often found that we needed to have multiple > versions of certain packages (such as libraries) installed to satisfy the > demands

some questions lintian overrides and shlibdeps

2002-11-22 Thread root
hi folks, i am playing around with one of the orphaned packages (check) and i want to build a new package of it. so far everything went fine, but there are two things that i don't understand: - dpkg-shlibdeps and therefore dh_shlibdeps fail because dpkg-shlibdeps doesn't recognize the filetype

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 08:40:55PM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 11:02:40AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 08:50:32PM +1100, Andrew Lau wrote: > > >>> > The question I want to pose today is "Are we losing users to > > >>> > Gentoo?" > > >> >

Re: VNC plans.

2002-11-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 07:11:47AM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > Agreed! The problem is that (as people have told already) the > new (the same crew as far as I know) upstream call themself realvnc... > I think I stick to the upstream name. An other solution is to > not change the name and make it p

Re: Sound card problem

2002-11-22 Thread Jim Lynch
Not enough info in your question, and the list you should post to (!after! reading README in kernel source dir, and kernel howto, and man make-kpkg after installing kernel-package) is debian-user@lists.debian.org On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:19:27 +0600 "chanka perera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi,

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Jim Lynch
All lines of reasoning deleted as being irrelevent. What is relevent is this: (1) Why are you blatently insulting people on the lists?? (2) You think this is acceptable? (it's not.) The fact I posted that Andrew Lau should see someone about his disturbances comes about because of prior experi

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:20:04AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > What is relevent is this: > > (1) Why are you blatently insulting people on the lists?? OK, we're going with hypothesis #5 as being accurate. I won't bother rebutting it again; see the notes at the bottom, specifically about the effec

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread David Nusinow
Hello all, This seems late to reply in response to this thread, but I thought that something is worth stating explicitly, as I didn't see it anywhere (I could have easily missed it, it's a long thread in a list full of long threads lately). As others have pointed out, the basic tool

Re: Why are new package versions depending on libc6 in unstable?

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:29:48AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: Nothing is installed from experimental because of dependencies.. you have to be explicit about each and every package. Either it automatically installs upgraded packages, potentially clobbering something you don't want clobbered, or i

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Jim Lynch
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:38:29 -0500 Mark Mealman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Mark Mealman wrote: > > > >>> But Debian's bleeding edge really tends to lag. What's KDE up to on > >>> testing, version 2.2? Mozilla is 1.0? Java's at 1.1? > >> > >> > > > >I'm missing something here... wha

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:48:47PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: Disks are still $1 per gigabyte. IDE disks are more than sufficient for this task, aren't they? No. IDE is great for most applications these days, IMHO, but not on a server where dozens or hundreds of clients are going to be

New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Andrew Pollock
Hi, Since satie.d.o has been destroyed, where does this leave the NM process? Andrew

Re: Proposal - non-free software removal

2002-11-22 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:53:33AM +0900, Atsuhito Kohda wrote: > > >> >> xpdf-japanese > > >> >> cmap-adobe-japan1 > > >> >> cmap-adobe-japan2 > > >> >> cmap-adobe-korea1 > > >> >> cmap-adobe-gb1 > > >> >> cmap-adobe-cns1 > [...] > In fact, cmap-adobe-* and xpdf-japanese/korean/chinese-* > are sa

Re: Possible mass filing of bugs: don't use libxaw-dev

2002-11-22 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 11:16:50PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > If you mean that these Build-Depend on pure virtual packages, then they > should be changed. Why? Pure virtual dependencies are not incorrect. I am surprised to see that you still believe otherwise. > If they work with Xaw 7, the

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 09:52:13PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > Hi, > > Since satie.d.o has been destroyed, where does this leave the NM process? The web site is only a nice fornt-end for the applicants to know something about you place in the queue and the ste you passed. Please, read http://w

Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, I just hand over the readseq package to Michael Schmitz. He is obviousely much more competent to maintain the package than me. We agreed not to go the bureocratic orphan and adopt. The next upload will just come from Michael. Kind regards Andreas.

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Banck
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:04:29PM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > The web site is only a nice fornt-end for the applicants to know something > about you place in the queue and the ste you passed. I guess the question was whether the queue *itself* is still avaiable/recoverable. I

Re: RFH: APT

2002-11-22 Thread Otavio Salvador
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As for translated package descriptions, are those that have done work there > listening? Could you speak up, and show how you have modified apt? I've done major of work in APT but before 3 of december I can't take it to finish. The current status are: A

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I didn't follow the discussion entirely, but at least at the beginning > people weren't sure there was a backup of the database. Please correct > me if I'm wrong. I dont know if anyone else has something, but i sent tbm a postgresql dump from 2002-07-20

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Friday, November 22, 2002, at 02:48 AM, sean finney wrote: On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 03:30:10AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: Well, the first (only!) time they will install apt/dpkg on a system is during the dbootstrap in debian-installer. I'd object very strongly if such a question were asked

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> I dont know if anyone else has something, but i sent tbm a postgresql > dump from 2002-07-20. Not very actual, but its there. > But hey, every AM should know his NM's and their state. :) I hope you're right... I was waiting for DAM approval, and now only my AM, perhaps, know what to do... --

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Teófilo Ruiz Suárez
El 22-Nov-2002 a las 14:45:59, Joerg Jaspert escribió: > Michael Banck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I didn't follow the discussion entirely, but at least at the beginning > > people weren't sure there was a backup of the database. Please correct > > me if I'm wrong. > > I dont know if anyone

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:35:11PM +1100, Brian May wrote: > 30 days seems like an awfully long time... > > I would have though rejecting any requests, say an hour old would > be better... > > So, if you did issue an halt command, the worst an attacker could do > would be to delay execution by on

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:45:59PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > I dont know if anyone else has something, but i sent tbm a postgresql > dump from 2002-07-20. Not very actual, but its there. Cool, that means that nm.d.o is going to be back (not as up to date as we would it to be, but by now it's t

Re: gpg error at developer.php after the fire

2002-11-22 Thread Igor Genibel
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 08:17:09PM +0100, Thorsten Sauter wrote: > Hi all, Hi, > don't know if anyone has noticed, but the qa.debian.org/developer.php > doesn't found any gpg keys from public keyservers. > > It always report: GPG key id not found! > > Seems to be a problem after the move of sat

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:55:07AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > message from being sent, and keep it for another day. Seeing your > computer doesn't halt, you resend the message, and the attacker has 30 > days to use what he has stolen. So you set the window to 2 days, or 15 minutes, or whatev

Re: Debian Accessibility Project was: Re: linux for blinds

2002-11-22 Thread Tomas Cerha
Andreas Tille wrote: Sorry, I do not have the time to cooperate with any further project. I will do all the best to make Debian the best distribution for all purposes I could think off. That's why I tried to convince other projects which tried to build a Debian based distribution for a special fie

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:43:28AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > This is interesting. I've been planning to add play-by-mail support to > my mooix moo, but have held off because I didn't want to tackle doing it > securely. But if I can just use grunt and it turns out to be secure.. > that'd be sweet. I

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Because I'd like to Debian be installable with much fewer questions, Do you realise what that means? It means: I want everyone to end up with the same system. Which either means, "I'm not interested in having Debian support al

Re: Debian Accessibility Project was: Re: linux for blinds

2002-11-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Tomas Cerha wrote: > Hello, I am one of the people involved in Free(b)soft (and Free(b)deb) > project. Thank you for your comments. I would like to clarify some > details. The goal of Free(b)deb project is not a separate distribution. To make it clear: I'm not in fear of a

Re: Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Schmitz
> I just hand over the readseq package to Michael Schmitz. He is obviousely > much more competent to maintain the package than me. We agreed not to Meaning I've used it a lot, including local modifications and such. And I have a moderate interest in keeping that package around. > go the bureocr

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:24:58PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:04:29PM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De > Vitis wrote: > > The web site is only a nice fornt-end for the applicants to know > > something about you place in the queue and the ste you passed. > > I guess the

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:09:26PM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > P.S.: this discussion lead me to a question: is it possible that we do > not have any kind of backup for thing like that? I mean: even > something like cvs offers a kind of backup, periodical dump of the db > and such

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread H. S. Teoh
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:54:17PM +, Colin Watson wrote: [snip] > Never underestimate the power of Google's cache. :-) [snip] "Real men don't take backups. They put their source on a public FTP-server and let the world mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds ;-) T -- The peace of mind--from knowin

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Anthony Towns | On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: | > Because I'd like to Debian be installable with much fewer questions, | | Do you realise what that means? It means: I want everyone to end up with | the same system. Actually not. It means «it should be p

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Because I'd like to Debian be installable with much fewer questions, > and asking about if the user wants dialogs warning them of non-free is > not needed to install the system. and i guess that's where we disagree. if i want

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Anthony DeRobertis | The installer must already have the user set up his sources.list. The | old boot-floppies asks a question about the use of non-free software; This has nothing to do with boot-floppies. It is apt-setup, which is run from base-config. boot-floppies/d-i is what gets run bef

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > One way to explicitly turn them on --- which would not bug users who > don't want it --- would be to install a package. The package could work > similar to apt-listchanges. oh yeah, i just remembered, check out the vrms packag

Sponsor required: Film Gimp 0.8a-3

2002-11-22 Thread Andrew Lau
Hey everyone, Could someone please be kind enough to sponsor Film Gimp for me? I've already got 5 packages under my belt and been waiting for DAM approval for 11 months now, so I do know what I'm doing half the time = ). The packages are as Lintian and Linda clean as possible, with the exce

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> "Real men don't take backups. They put their source on a public > FTP-server and let the world mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds ya, of course. But I thought, that nm.debian.org wasn't mirrored :-/ -- Mati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sounds like a Windows problem, try calling Microsoft support

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-22 14:54]: > > I didn't follow the discussion entirely, but at least at the beginning > > people weren't sure there was a backup of the database. Please correct > > me if I'm wrong. > > Never underestimate the power of Google's cache. :-) Google's cache

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Roland Bauerschmidt
H. S. Teoh wrote: > "Real men don't take backups. They put their source on a public FTP-server > and let the world mirror it." -- Linus Torvalds So let's hope that somebody mirrored it... I hope a public HTTP-server is alright, too. -- Roland Bauerschmidt

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:46:44PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Matt" == Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Matt> I read quite well, thank you. Such personal attacks would not seem to > fit > Matt> with your lofty philosophy of elevating social norms. > > Then the only

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Joerg Jaspert
Mateusz Papiernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I hope you're right... I was waiting for DAM approval, and now > only my AM, perhaps, know what to do... The AM, FrontDesk and everyone that reads debian-newmaint. :) DAM stage is (more or less) easy to recover. -- bye Joerg A.D. 1517: Martin Luth

broken dependencies gphoto2

2002-11-22 Thread Mathias Klein
Hello, just to let you know: +++cut+++ :# apt-get install gphoto2 Reading Package Lists... Building Dependency Tree... Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages hav

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread sean finney
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:01:05PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > | Good idea. We should add an 'apt-cache alternatives packagename' as > | well. > > I've seen many «we should add X», while few people seem to actually do > what they suggest. right, because we're brainstorming here :) if this we

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 03:33:10PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > But, assuming a price of approx. US$128 for a 120GB IDE drive, yes, > Debian could afford two of these at a drain of less than 1% of its total > assets. Sorry, correction: total liquid assets. SPI "owns" some hardware in the U.S.

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Andrew Lau
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 09:52:13PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote: > Since satie.d.o has been destroyed, where does this leave the NM > process? The real question is, will anything change in NM for those who've already waited over 6 months for DAM approval. = P 11 and still counting... Yours sincer

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 02:20:04AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > (1) Why are you blatently insulting people on the lists?? Why are you blatanly misspelling "blatant"? -- G. Branden Robinson|Kissing girls is a goodness. It is Debian GNU/Linux |a growing clo

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:25:26AM -0800, Jim Lynch wrote: > Specific example is xfree86-4.x: Branden would not start the work on > that before woody had a stable version of the xfree that was stable at > the time; he wouldn't have had the time. Once woody was released (which > implied a stable X w

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread alex
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:10:39PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > Never underestimate the power of Google's cache. :-) > > Google's cache was unfortunately out of date, too. So, while we > haven't lost everything, we have certainly lost the last few > months/weeks. I will post an announcemen

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> The AM, FrontDesk and everyone that reads debian-newmaint. :) > DAM stage is (more or less) easy to recover. Thank God ;P -- Mati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sounds like a Windows problem, try calling Microsoft support

Re: Possible mass filing of bugs: don't use libxaw-dev

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 11:20:10PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 11:16:50PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > If you mean that these Build-Depend on pure virtual packages, then they > > should be changed. > > Why? Pure virtual dependencies are not incorrect. I am surprise

Re: VNC plans.

2002-11-22 Thread Branden Robinson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 09:56:52AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > Then no, you don't. It was probably a mistake to ever attempt to > codify the list of virtual packages in policy. Agreement amoung the > people involved is sufficient. I disagree. The nature of the agreement needs to be documented

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:24:34AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > > After verifying the signature on the data, the receiver does some sanity > > checks. One of the checks is doing an md5sum over the entire file > > (remember, this i

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Mike Dresser
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002, Branden Robinson wrote: > Sorry, correction: total liquid assets. SPI "owns" some hardware in the > U.S. on behalf of Debian (like the machine that is auric.debian.org), > but an exhaustive inventory has not been done. > > We, uh, might want to do that someday, say for insura

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Oliver Kurth
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:38:36PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:10:39PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > > Never underestimate the power of Google's cache. :-) > > > > Google's cache was unfortunately out of date, too. So, while we > > haven't lost everything, we

Re: broken dependencies gphoto2

2002-11-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 04:25:54PM +0100, Mathias Klein wrote: > Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: > gphoto2: Depends: libexif5 but it is not installable > +++cut+++ > > Shouldn't gphoto2 depend on libexif7 ? You should file a bug rather than mailing debian-devel. Fortu

Re: Bug#170069: ITP: grunt -- Secure remote execution via UUCP or e-mail using GPG

2002-11-22 Thread John Goerzen
On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:47:46PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > PGP signatures have a signature ID and a date that are ment to be used to > prevent against replay attacks. I forget the exact details but there is a > gpg mode that prints it out. The db.debian.org gateways all make use of > it.

Re: broken dependencies gphoto2

2002-11-22 Thread Craig Dickson
Mathias Klein wrote: > just to let you know: > > +++cut+++ > :# apt-get install gphoto2 > Reading Package Lists... > Building Dependency Tree... > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution

Re: debian-installer status 2002-11-22

2002-11-22 Thread Samuli Suonpaa
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > EVMS support has been added.. I played with it a little, but it was > broken because it was compiled with readline support, while no > readline libraries were in the archive. I've just played around with > it a bit more, and it looks like it needs some

Re: Ask yourself some questions

2002-11-22 Thread Yven Leist
On Friday 22 November 2002 10:46, Emile van Bergen wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:10:31PM +0100, Yven Leist wrote: > > On Thursday 21 November 2002 16:28, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > Well, the dismal failure of that one is noted. > > > > Just for the record, I actually found it quite

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
Martin Michlmayr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-11-22 14:54]: >>> I didn't follow the discussion entirely, but at least at the beginning >>> people weren't sure there was a backup of the database. Please correct >>> me if I'm wrong. >> Never underestimate the

Re: New maintainer process

2002-11-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:09:26PM +0100, Luca - De Whiskey's - De Vitis wrote: > P.S.: this discussion lead me to a question: is it possible that we do not > have any kind of backup for thing like that? I mean: even something like cvs > offers a kind of backup, periodical dump of the db and such

Re: Another mass bug filing: get rid of xlib6g*

2002-11-22 Thread Stephen Zander
> "Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Branden> /me wanders off, laughing maniacally and regressing to Branden> childhood Saturday nights watching PBS... Did you call your dog K-9 and and build a phone booth out of cardboard boxes too? -- Stephen You will be a l

Re: VNC plans.

2002-11-22 Thread Clint Adams
> Why do they need to coexist with the other implementation? They could > simply conflict. They shouldn't.

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Clint Adams
> No, it's not. Low end disks are cheap. High end disks still aren't. > Bandwidth still isn't. Especially when you're spending donated > resources rather than your own. Odd, then, that Debian has turned down resource donations in the past.

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:05:44PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: Odd, then, that Debian has turned down resource donations in the past. How is that relevant? Not all donations are immediately required. Accepting donations for which there is no immediate need incurs overhead and isn't sensible. Mike Sto

a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Cardenas
In response to all the emails on debian-boot saying "how can I help?", "what needs to be done" and "where do I start?", tollef and I put together a simple home page for the debian-installer project. It can be found here: http://people.debian.org/~mbc/di.html Feel free to direct people here. We

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:18:12AM -0500, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > "Maybe you're dumb. Ha-ha. Ha-ha." This subthread doesn't seem to have much to do with Debian development anymore, or, at least I couldn't find anything technical in that mail. Maybe take it off-list, if you feel it's worth saying

Re: Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Russell Coker
On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:07, Andreas Tille wrote: > I just hand over the readseq package to Michael Schmitz. He is obviousely > much more competent to maintain the package than me. We agreed not to > go the bureocratic orphan and adopt. The next upload will just come from > Michael. Why so formal

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Matt" == Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matt> On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 10:46:44PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >>"Matt" == Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Matt> I read quite well, thank you. Such personal attacks would not seem to fit Matt> with your lofty philo

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread John H. Robinson, IV
Jim Lynch wrote: > > (small point on kde 3.1 final existing before announcement disposed of: > it won't be "final" until it's "announced". by definition. also, there > may be current reasons why the announcement has not been made.) unless Gentoo is refering to a CVS tag i see a difference betwee

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Robert Lemmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [021122 12:24]: > > "In addition Portage supports the concept of SLOTs. In the development of > > Gentoo Linux its developers often found that we needed to have multiple > > versions of certain packages (such as libraries) installed to satisfy the > > demands of

Re: Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 06:32:41PM +0100, Russell Coker wrote: Why so formal? We haven't met our bureaucracy quota for the month. I hope that everyone will do his part. Mike Stone

Re: NF Compromise - Alternatives Nagging + planned removal date warning

2002-11-22 Thread Anthony Towns
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 03:56:21PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Anthony Towns > | On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 08:54:29AM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > | > Because I'd like to Debian be installable with much fewer questions, > | Do you realise what that means? It means: I want everyone to en

Re: a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-22 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 01:29:57AM -0800, Michael Cardenas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > In response to all the emails on debian-boot saying "how can I > help?", "what needs to be done" and "where do I start?", tollef and I > put together a simple home page for the debian-installer proje

Re: Handing over readseq

2002-11-22 Thread Michael Schmitz
> On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 14:07, Andreas Tille wrote: > > I just hand over the readseq package to Michael Schmitz. He is obviousely > > much more competent to maintain the package than me. We agreed not to > > go the bureocratic orphan and adopt. The next upload will just come from > > Michael. > >

Re: debian-installer status 2002-11-22

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 06:16:11PM +0200, Samuli Suonpaa wrote: > Are you aware of the fact that EVMS will not be included in Linux kernel? Are you aware of the fact that EVMS is being adapted to work with device-mapper instead of the EVMS kernel runtime? http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum

Re: a new home for debian-installer

2002-11-22 Thread Mateusz Papiernik
> Why not http://www.debian.org/devel, under "Projects"? You're right! D-I is (I think?) official, and important project, and it should have homepage in debian.org, not in "something people" on people.d.o. Am I right? -- Mati ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Sounds like a Windows problem, try calling Mic

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Roberto Suarez Soto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Nov/21, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Current cost of hard disk is something between $1.00 and $1.50 per > > gigabyte. > > I may be wrong, but I assume you're talking IDE here. And, IMHO, IDE > disks are not the best thing for a medi

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Which will perhaps (enough space in the case?) solve the problem for > debian's own servers, but not for the mirrors. I know of 3 of them > only in .at. We already have mirrors that don't hold all the archs. This is a perfectly fine thing to do.

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Nov 23, 2002 at 03:28:50AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > This subthread doesn't seem to have much to do with Debian development > anymore, or, at least I couldn't find anything technical in that mail. > Maybe take it off-list, if you feel it's worth saying? I am finished with him for now;

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Mako Hill
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 10:28:05AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Sorry, correction: total liquid assets. SPI "owns" some hardware in the > U.S. on behalf of Debian (like the machine that is auric.debian.org), > but an exhaustive inventory has not been done. > > We, uh, might want to do that so

Re: Are we losing users to Gentoo?

2002-11-22 Thread Mako Hill
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:05:44PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote: > > No, it's not. Low end disks are cheap. High end disks still aren't. > > Bandwidth still isn't. Especially when you're spending donated > > resources rather than your own. > > Odd, then, that Debian has turned down resource donation

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