Re: isync vs mailsync

2001-09-05 Thread Brian Nelson
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "Colin" == Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Colin> Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> In my search for a "perfect" offline IMAP client(TM) I have > >> looked at isync vs mailsync. > > Colin> What's wrong with Gnus

Re: isync vs mailsync

2001-09-05 Thread GOTO Masanori
At 05 Sep 2001 09:43:09 +1000, Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Colin> Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> In my search for a "perfect" offline IMAP client(TM) I have > >> looked at isync vs mailsync. > > Colin> What's wrong with Gnus? Perhaps with the Agent? I admit

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-05 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > This isn't a matter of not using it, it's a matter of a sane base > install. Perhaps base-config could ask if the user wants locales. Know > what? That question is being asked in english _anyway_. Having a few well-known questions asked in Eng

Re: new port: the never ending story

2001-09-05 Thread Junichi Uekawa
A Mennucc1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > arch=w32 > arch64= w64 > pro: it has been proposed by many parts (and actually it was my > second-nearly-first choice); no trademark problems > con: I think it is not so appealing to the layuser; and > I dont like the arch64 <-> arch r

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-05 Thread Ben Collins
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:19:01PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > > > This isn't a matter of not using it, it's a matter of a sane base > > install. Perhaps base-config could ask if the user wants locales. Know > > what? That question is being a

Re: new proposal: Translating Debian packages' descriptions

2001-09-05 Thread Junichi Uekawa
Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > >What is the size of all this? Ok. we have now in sid/main/i386 (see > >[2]) 7000 Packages and the descriptions of all this packages is > >2660993 bytes big. We get a description size per package of 384 bytes. > >With gzip we w

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Michael Bramer wrote: > Maybe I have on next WE more time and I can improve the server and > make this notification mail configable per package and someone can > remove his packages from the notification process. No, make it opt-in and don't sent them by defaulot. Wichert. --

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Michlmayr wrote: > Since this should probably be by-package and not by-maintainer, how > about a field in debian/control? It has nothing to do with package metadata and does not belong there. Wichert. -- _ /

Re: Making better use of multiple maintainers

2001-09-05 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 01:02:34AM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > However, I'm not sure I agree that a backup is totally > useless in the case of celestia. What happens if you're on vacation, > woody is released tomorrow and a RC bug is filed on celestia today and > noone cares to upload a fixed

Re: isync vs mailsync

2001-09-05 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
>> Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Despite these problems, Gnus is the only program I have seen that will > highlight replies to my mail, something I find very valuable in large > mailing lists like this one. color index red black "~t [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ~x scrooge.chocbit.org.au" o

Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-05 Thread Brian May
> "Vociferous" == Vociferous Mole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> doesn't look like it to me: >> >> [503] [pluto:bam] ~ >LANG=en_AU:en_GB dia >> >> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library Vociferous> From another message (in one of the numerous Vociferou

Re: isync vs mailsync

2001-09-05 Thread Brian May
> "Marcelo" == Marcelo E Magallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Despite these problems, Gnus is the only program I have seen >> that will highlight replies to my mail, something I find very >> valuable in large mailing lists like this

Re: CUPS

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:01:45PM +0300, Ari Makela wrote: > Ok. I'm sorry. I misunderstood, I read that too quickly - my mistake, No problem. > of course. Because I was rude in public so I want to apologize in > public, too. I'm sorry. I did not think your mail was being rude. No need to apolo

Re: CUPS

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 10:27:49AM +0200, Dominik Kubla wrote: > Oh that will work fine with CUPS. But i am not convinced that you want > this. How to administer printers with System V commands is pretty much > standard in the Unix world. dpkg-reconfigure is not. Okay, accepted. My main problem

Re: CUPS

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 11:10:28AM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > Well, that's also a possible method for adding a printer. Do you get any > error messages then on the console or in the logfiles beneath > /var/log/cups? Nothing except the one I posted here. > Hm, do you need the cupsomatic-ppd b

Re: CUPS

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Meskes
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 12:04:10PM +0200, Tille, Andreas wrote: > By the way: That lpadmin does not work seems to be a bug but a feature - > at least I had the same result as you. :-(( > The web frontend worked for me after some fiddling around (not after > the plain install). So this looks like

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhe lper description

2001-09-05 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Michael Bramer wrote: > OH, this is now the second 'remove me' request. > > Now the server can only mail notifications to all packages or to no > packages. Should I stop it? > > Comments? Example for a procmail rule in the information part? Kind regards Andreas.

Re: Bug#111274: ITA: doc-linux-ja -- Linux HOWTOs in Japanese

2001-09-05 Thread Martin Michlmayr
retitle 110938 ITA: doc-linux-ja -- Linux HOWTOs in Japanese merge 110938 111274 thanks * GOTO Masanori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20010905 10:17]: > I intend to adopt doc-linux-ja, Japanese version of doc-linux. > The reason to adopt is that Colin Watson is also written as follows: > &

Re: new port: the never ending story

2001-09-05 Thread A Mennucc1
hi On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:42:02PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > A Mennucc1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit hey, I like this ^^ Do you study latin? > > arch=w32 > > arch64= w64 > > pro: it has been proposed by many parts (and actually it was my

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > Since this should probably be by-package and not by-maintainer, how > about a field in debian/control? (I'm not sure it really belongs > there, but there were some advantages if it were there; e.g. it can > easily be controlled by the maintainer.) If t

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-05 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Radovan Garabik wrote: > I have yet to meet a person who would ever need a slovak locale. > Nobody cares at all (collate order? who needs that? Different > format of numbers? This is not only unneeded, but even harmful. > Different format of date? Who cares.. Gettext? Maybe, bu

Re: Making better use of multiple maintainers

2001-09-05 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 01:02:34AM +0200, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > useless in the case of celestia. What happens if you're on vacation, > woody is released tomorrow and a RC bug is filed on celestia today and > noone cares to upload a fixed package? Similarly, if you were really > busy for a wh

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-05 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Mon, 3 Sep 2001, Santiago Vila wrote: > I never asked for a debconf interface (I explained in the bug report But why not following Grisus suggestion? In my opinion the problem is an obvious target for a debconf solution. The user has just to press one times: Do you want locales [y/N]

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:12:06AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:19:01PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote: > > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > > > > > This isn't a matter of not using it, it's a matter of a sane base > > > install. Perhaps base-config could

Re: 2.4 bootdisk for testing?

2001-09-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include Jørgen Hermanrud Fjeld wrote on Tue Sep 04, 2001 um 09:44:24PM: > Are there any plans to have kernel 2.4.x boot-disks for testing? > If there are/aren't could someone point me to more information about this, > woes, obstacles, etc. The current kernel scheme is attached. For i386, I cr

Re: Fonts working "out of the box"

2001-09-05 Thread Jules Bean
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 11:45:38AM +1000, The Nose Who Knows wrote: > > What would be the best way of approaching these people who may find that > Free licenses are the best way to distribute their work? If we find > that fontographers are interested, we may gain a lot of good quality > work quit

Re: CUPS

2001-09-05 Thread Tille, Andreas
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Michael Meskes wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 12:04:10PM +0200, Tille, Andreas wrote: > > By the way: That lpadmin does not work seems to be a bug but a feature - > > at least I had the same result as you. :-(( > > The web frontend worked for me after some fiddling around (n

ifupdown needs help?

2001-09-05 Thread David N. Welton
I see that there are a lot of old bugs in ifupdown, some of which include patches. Are you having trouble working on this package? Could you use some help? -- David N. Welton Free Software: http://people.debian.org/~davidw/ Apache Tcl: http://tcl.apache.org/ Personal: http://www.efn.org

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 07:03:42AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Michael Bramer wrote: > > Maybe I have on next WE more time and I can improve the server and > > make this notification mail configable per package and someone can > > remove his packages from the notification process.

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Christian Kurz
On 01-09-04 Nick Phillips wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:06:04PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: > I don't expect most maintainers to be able or inclined to keep track of > a shedload of different translations, and those who are that keen should May I ask if you are aware about the ongoing trans

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Christian Kurz
On 01-09-04 Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Michael Bramer wrote: > > Maybe I have on next WE more time and I can improve the server and > > make this notification mail configable per package and someone can > > remove his packages from the notification process. > You didn't already

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Bramer
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 05:40:25PM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Tue, 4 Sep 2001, Michael Bramer wrote: > > > > A proper solution, at the very least, invovles storing the data in the > > > foo.deb{control.tar.gz/control} file. > > > > gettext is not a hack. Gettext for translations and dpkg use ge

Re: How many people need locales?

2001-09-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include Tille, Andreas wrote on Wed Sep 05, 2001 um 10:33:43AM: > In my opinion the problem is an obvious target for a debconf solution. > > The user has just to press one times: > > Do you want locales [y/N] I did also suggested an --install-locales option for debootstrap (and hope Ant

Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:03:50PM +1000, Brian May wrote: > > "Vociferous" == Vociferous Mole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> doesn't look like it to me: > >> > >> [503] [pluto:bam] ~ >LANG=en_AU:en_GB dia > >> > >> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library >

Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)

2001-09-05 Thread Petr Cech
On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000 , Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the > locale? If so, which format? or number format. ie. in Czech decimal separator is `,' comma and in C it's `.' dot. OK, now restart gnumeric in other

Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-05 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 05:03:50PM +1000, Brian May wrote: > > "Vociferous" == Vociferous Mole <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> doesn't look like it to me: > >> > >> [503] [pluto:bam] ~ >LANG=en_AU:en_GB dia > >> > >> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library >

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 08:00:18PM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > No, make it opt-in and don't sent them by defaulot. > > Just checking, but having it optional is mutually exclusive with any final > solution that involves the maintainer having to put the translation into the > .deb. I

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:41:53AM +0200, Christian Kurz wrote: > On 01-09-04 Nick Phillips wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:06:04PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: > > I don't expect most maintainers to be able or inclined to keep track of > > a shedload of different translations, and those who

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:00:42PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: > > It needs to be stored, in /var/lib/dpkg/status, as a single file. This is > > so > > that dpkg can make safe updates to it. Trying to sync multiple files is > > not a > > simple solution. > > no, it does not store there. And

Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)

2001-09-05 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:53:37PM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000 , Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the > > locale? If so, which format? > > or number format. ie. in Czech decimal separator

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:00:42PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: > If we talk about translation, this is not a big problem. You must only > use gettext all the time. Maybe we can throw away the 'maintainer > name' problem with this. (You know it: maintainer fields with > ÖÄÜöüüßåñïééõú... in the na

Re: Making better use of multiple maintainers

2001-09-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 12:30:12PM -0400, Joey Hess écrivait: > I would like to see this oft-requested feature, but in the meantime > there is nothing to prevent you as a backup maintainer from seeing every > bug for every package you backup maintain. debian-bugs-dist + procmail. > Trivial. Of cou

Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)

2001-09-05 Thread jcdubacq
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Petr Cech wrote: > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000 , Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the > > locale? If so, which format? > > or number format. ie. in Czech decimal separator is `,' comma and in C

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:11:56PM +0100, Nick Phillips wrote: > I'd have thought that the current situation re. maintainers putting > translations into .debs makes it blindingly obvious that requiring them > to do so in order for a translation to become available is a bad idea. Do package descrip

Re: Date format (was: How many people need locales?)

2001-09-05 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:23:34PM +0100, Nick Phillips wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:53:37PM +0200, Petr Cech wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 04, 2001 at 09:17:12PM +1000 , Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > > Does that mean it should always take a certain format irrespective of the > > > locale? If s

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:20:42PM +0100, Nick Phillips écrivait: > > > It needs to be stored, in /var/lib/dpkg/status, as a single file. This > > > is so [...] > > no, it does not store there. And I can explain it: > > Well, shouldn't it? Wouldn't it make sense to have the translated descriptio

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:20:42PM +0100, Nick Phillips wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:00:42PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: > > > > It needs to be stored, in /var/lib/dpkg/status, as a single file. This > > > is so > > > that dpkg can make safe updates to it. Trying to sync multiple files

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 01:13:35PM +0200, Radovan Garabik wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:00:42PM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote: > > > If we talk about translation, this is not a big problem. You must only > > use gettext all the time. Maybe we can throw away the 'maintainer > > name' problem wi

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread Florian Weimer
Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why should the default configuration be changed to account for the > diminishing number of broken routers on the net? >From a technical behavior, throwing away packets with unknown protocol flags is perfectly acceptable in any case and even reasonable

reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Tomas Pospisek
reopen 110862 # Here with I am reopening this bug. # # On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 06:31:19 +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: # # > On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 12:33:35PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: # > > # > > I don't know if this is the right place to assign the bug. Maybe the # > > right place for this is netbase,

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:49:09PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 12:11:56PM +0100, Nick Phillips wrote: > > I'd have thought that the current situation re. maintainers putting > > translations into .debs makes it blindingly obvious that requiring them > > to do so in order

Re: 2.4 bootdisk for testing?

2001-09-05 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
Make sure you have ECN disabled on those bootdisks otherwise some people will be finding out that to their surprise they are not able to download their packages via the network. See the recent ECN thread. *t

Bug#111309: ITP: xtail -- like "tail -f", but works on truncated files, directories, more

2001-09-05 Thread Roderick Schertler
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2001-09-05 Severity: wishlist xtail watches the growth of files. It's like running a "tail -f" on a bunch of files at once. It notices if a file is trunated and starts from the beginning. You can specify both filenames and directories on the command line. I

Re: [woodm@equire.com: XFree86 common]

2001-09-05 Thread Steven Hanley
On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 08:34:45PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > Give a person a fish, and he will won't starve today. Teach him how > to fish, and he will never have to starve anymore. btw the use of person followed by he is kind of weird in the above. and it opens us up to lots of fun inter

Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-05 Thread Marek Habersack
** On Sep 05, Brian May scribbled: > > "Marek" == Marek Habersack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Marek> Or just put LANG=en_GB in /etc/environment > > Hmmm. Might be worth trying. However, either this is going to override > the language chosen by gdm, or gdm is going to override this. No

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Nick Phillips
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:49:09PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Do package descriptions change so regularly that translated descriptions > couldn't be submitted through the bug tracking system and included > in the next upload? Apparently maintainers regularly fail to do anything with them at a

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Nick Phillips | The translation of any part of a package, be it the text of error messages, | the text in control, or the text in debconf templates, does not need to | be part of the package, and hence certainly shouldn't have to be. The | translations can easily be completely abstracted from t

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Anthony Towns
severity 110892 wishlist thanks On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:42:23PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > # On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 06:31:19 +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > # > On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 12:33:35PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > # > > I don't know if this is the right place to assign the bug. It's n

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread Guillaume Morin
Dans un message du 05 sep à 14:37, Florian Weimer écrivait : > From a technical behavior, throwing away packets with unknown protocol > flags is perfectly acceptable in any case and even reasonable in some > environments. I would not call reasonable dropping packets carrying bits of a protocol rat

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Vociferous Mole
On 05-Sep-01, 07:09 (EDT), Nick Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you look at it logically, *everything* that has to do with translations > is quite distinct from the other tasks relating to package maintenance. > > The translation of any part of a package, be it the text of error messages

Re: new port: the never ending story

2001-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:55:08AM +0200, A Mennucc1 wrote: > ok, I think I will switch again to w32 > > I say again because that was my choice for 3 days, and then I thought > that I didnt like w32 <-> w64 ; but again , who cares? > > anyway, Real Life (tm) is hitting me hard; summer is over; if

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:49:09PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Do package descriptions change so regularly that translated descriptions > couldn't be submitted through the bug tracking system and included > in the next upload? That doesn't serve the purpose of hijacking pieces of the maintainer

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 04:39:30PM -0700, Neil Spring wrote: > > Incidentaly I'd today filled a *critical* bugreport against > > kernel-image-2.4.8 just because of that. > > It lists as "Done"; perhaps you're expected to file it > someplace else? > > > The first *experimental* rfc for ECN dates f

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 12:56:18AM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > > Zitiere Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Neil Spring wrote on Sat Sep 01, 2001 um 12:34:40PM: > > > > > being turned off behind my back. ECN doesn't need any > > > more inertia slowing its deployment. It's already an >

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Tomas Pospisek
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: > severity 110892 wishlist > thanks > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:42:23PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > > # On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 06:31:19 +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > # > On Sat, Sep 01, 2001 at 12:33:35PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > > # > > I don't know

e2fsprogs as an essential package

2001-09-05 Thread zw
hi, with reiserfs etc. shall we downgrade debian package e2fsprogs' essential state to at least to allow it to be removable? thanks! (one thing to notice is maybe the generic fsck wrapper?) zw

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 03:22:47PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Nick Phillips > > | The translation of any part of a package, be it the text of error messages, > | the text in control, or the text in debconf templates, does not need to > | be part of the package, and hence certainly shouldn'

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Guillaume Morin wrote: > Dans un message du 05 sep à 14:37, Florian Weimer écrivait : > > From a technical behavior, throwing away packets with unknown protocol > > flags is perfectly acceptable in any case and even reasonable in some > > environments. > > I would not call reas

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote: > On Sun, Sep 02, 2001 at 12:56:18AM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > > > > It's not only *sites* that do not work with ECN. It's also *routers*. That > > means if you have *one* router between you and your destination, that does > > not > > support EC

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Tomas Pospisek | ) then it's the kernel-image package that needs to make sure it's runing | in a sane environment. So *please* can we add something like: | | if ! grep /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn /etc/sysctl.conf >/dev/null; | then echo sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn=0 >> /etc/sysctl.

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 04:32:42PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > >From the docu: > > critical makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) >break, [...] > > This is *exacly* what happens after an update from a vanilla 2.2.x kernel > to a 2.4. Some sites plain disape

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Scott Dier
> critical makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole system) >break, [...] The user experience is broken, not the software. The software is working fine. The really broken part is firewalls and tcp/ip stacks on the internet that do things to TCP that they shouldn't and b

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > So *please* can we add something like: > > if ! grep /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn /etc/sysctl.conf >/dev/null; > then echo sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf > fi > > to the kernel-image-2.4.x postinst. Which of course wi

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Tomas Pospisek
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > working fine. The really broken part is firewalls and tcp/ip stacks on > the internet that do things to TCP that they shouldn't and break your > experience. > > Go bugreport those instead. Never mind the users: they will be happy to spend two days debuging

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread Neil Spring
> ECN is RFC2481 > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2481.txt?number=2481 the internet draft by the same authors that supercedes rfc2481 and is a "Proposed Standard" instead of an "Experimental Standard" is draft-ietf-tsvwg-ecn-04. It is listed under "working group standards track" at http://www.rfc-e

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread Guillaume Morin
Dans un message du 05 sep à 17:30, T.Pospisek's MailLists écrivait : > The question is only if devices should be programmed in order to know > the future and it's potential proposed stadards by the IETF. Mind you I > don't know if the devices in question (websites, routers etc. droping ECN > packet

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Nick Phillips
On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 01:07:40AM +1000, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > The description is part of the package, can we agree on that one? > > What is the difference between a translated description and the > > original one, except for which language it is written in? The original, canonical,

Re: e2fsprogs as an essential package

2001-09-05 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 10:23:52PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > with reiserfs etc. shall we downgrade debian package e2fsprogs' > essential state to at least to allow it to be removable? thanks! > (one thing to notice is maybe the generic fsck wrapper?) Perhaps it would make sense to put /sbi

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Guillaume Morin wrote: > Dans un message du 05 sep à 17:30, T.Pospisek's MailLists écrivait : > > The question is only if devices should be programmed in order to know > > the future and it's potential proposed stadards by the IETF. Mind you I > > don't know if the devices in q

Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-05 Thread Radovan Garabik
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:47:26PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote: > are set to the fixed-misc USC version and it seems to work fine. The only > problem I have found is with the Unicode TTF fonts - mkttfdir doesn't > generate correct fonts.dir file for those AFAICT - all entries have their > charset

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote: > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Guillaume Morin wrote: > > Dans un message du 05 sep à 14:37, Florian Weimer écrivait : > > > From a technical behavior, throwing away packets with unknown protocol > > > flags is perfectly acceptable in any case and even rea

"Folio" file types / AS Physics

2001-09-05 Thread Hereward Cooper
Hi, Does anyone know how to read a "folio" file under linux/debian? The file extension is a nfo. I needed it as the new AS Physics Course now comes with the text book on a CD. It uses, yes you guessed it, a windows based program, called "Folio Views", and well I don't want to spend any more time u

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Nick Phillips wrote: > Well, shouldn't it? Wouldn't it make sense to have the translated description > in there rather than the original one? I actually makes more sense to remove even the english description from status to another location. Wichert. --

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote: > > > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Guillaume Morin wrote: > > > > Dans un message du 05 sep à 14:37, Florian Weimer écrivait : > > > > From a technical behavior, throwing away packets with unknown protocol > > > >

Re: Bug#110892: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Steve M. Robbins
Hey Guys, I think Anthony mistyped the bug# here. This has nothing to do with gdk-imlib1. Cheers, -Steve On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 11:44:01PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > severity 110892 wishlist > thanks > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:42:23PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > > # On Sun, 2 Sep 2

Re: 2.4 bootdisk for testing?

2001-09-05 Thread Eduard Bloch
#include T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote on Wed Sep 05, 2001 um 02:57:16PM: > Make sure you have ECN disabled on those bootdisks otherwise some people > will be finding out that to their surprise they are not able to download > their packages via the network. See the recent ECN thread. ROTFL. Look f

Re: step by step HOWTO switch debian installation into utf-8

2001-09-05 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 05 Sep 2001, Radovan Garabik wrote: > I have however other problems with ttf fonts - they are > EXTREMELY slow. When I use arialuni.ttf (25MB font with the best > unicode coverage) as main font in konqueror, just drawing a page > in ASCII takes 2 minutes (PIII 600 MHz). During those 2 > mi

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 04:32:42PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Anthony Towns wrote: > > > severity 110892 wishlist > > thanks > > > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:42:23PM +0200, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > > > # On Sun, 2 Sep 2001 06:31:19 +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > # > On Sat

Re: Translating Debian packages' descriptions

2001-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Also, I like that we use the gettext mechanism because at least we > have no translated description when it has been updated instead of > an outdated description. Better have a correct english description > than a wrong translated one. This problem is common with debconf >

Re: Translating Debian packages' descriptions

2001-09-05 Thread Joey Hess
Martin Quinson wrote: > Ouch ! As translator, I can promise you that if Joey Hess had removed all my > translation just because he added 'gnome' to the list of choices, he would > had to search out another french translator ! Maybe I'd better start looking, because: > PS: this perticular problem

Re: ddts: notification about pt_BR-translation of the hello-debhelper description

2001-09-05 Thread Michael Bramer
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:13:00AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 09:49:09PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > Do package descriptions change so regularly that translated descriptions > > couldn't be submitted through the bug tracking system and included > > in the next upl

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 02:37:28PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > Russell Coker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Why should the default configuration be changed to account for the > > diminishing number of broken routers on the net? > > >From a technical behavior, throwing away packets with unk

Re: sysctl should disable ECN by default

2001-09-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote: >>> The question is only if devices should be programmed in order to know >>> the future and it's potential proposed stadards by the IETF. Mind you I >>> don't know if the devices in question (websites, routers etc. droping ECN >>> packets) *are* v

Re: Bug#111309: ITP: xtail -- like "tail -f", but works on truncated files, directories, more

2001-09-05 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 03:00:08PM -0400, Roderick Schertler wrote: > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001 20:44:29 +0200, Eric Van Buggenhaut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: > > > > Does 'x'tail mean it's a GUI app ? > > Nope. Do you want to go for another name then ? I find it quite confusing. mtail or multitail m

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Peter S Galbraith
I, for one, am very thankful for this thread. I could no longer connect to some sites which I used in daily work collaborations for some time now. Turns out it's since an upgrade from 2.2 to 2.4. I have now disabled this option in the 2.4 kernel and now connect again. Thanks! (Yes, it's info

Re: "Folio" file types / AS Physics

2001-09-05 Thread Constantine Karastamatis
Hereward Cooper: I think I found what you are looking for. It will not let you view it directly, but it will let you convert it to html. It is called nse2html. Since it is only 2k, I have attached a gzipped version. It seems that it is in perl so I think just running it will work. My source was h

Make money at home with your PC

2001-09-05 Thread David
I'll make you a promise.   READ THIS E-MAIL TO THE END!   - follow what it says to the letter -   and you will not worry whether a RECESSION is coming or not, who is President, or whether you keep your current job or not.   Yes, I know what you are thinking. I never responded to one of thes

Re: new port: the never ending story

2001-09-05 Thread Eric Van Buggenhaut
On Mon, Sep 03, 2001 at 11:15:03AM +0200, A Mennucc1 wrote: > > hi > > > --- still on the name > > > let's start by a few quotations: > > "an arch is an arch is an arch is an arch" > > "an arch by any other name would work the same" > > "shut up and show them the arch" > > it: "l' arch e

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread T.Pospisek's MailLists
On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote: > Routers aren't forced to support ECN (although it's in their interest) but > they > aren't allowed to drop ECN-flagged TCP packets. > > If you can't access a site, *they* need to fix their buggy router to be > ECN-tolerant. If they don't do so, the

Re: reopening ECN bugreport/netbase

2001-09-05 Thread Remco van de Meent
Eric Van Buggenhaut wrote: > Routers aren't forced to support ECN (although it's in their > interest) but they aren't allowed to drop ECN-flagged TCP packets. > > If you can't access a site, *they* need to fix their buggy router to be > ECN-tolerant. If they don't do so, they're violating RFC 793.

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