Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:14:40PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:33:25AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:30:47PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > > > > Kernel-headers-2.4.2 is built with the default config file, and the > > > other ones are built

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:05:42AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:10:48PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > If they're binary-only, I doubt much compilation will be necessary. > > They don't just come out of nowhere you know... "Binary-only" is a misnomer, since one could tra

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:06:21AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Bullshit. Why don't you do a diff instead of talking about something that > you have no idea about? Do you deny that the file named autoconf.h contains precicely what I suggested? I did not attempt to present an exhaustive description

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 03:34:40PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > placed by this scheme. My assumption is that there will be different > modversions for each kernel configuration and that as such, I will That's correct. > then my module-specific concerns go away. Even if you accept that the > b

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:14:18PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:06:21AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > Bullshit. Why don't you do a diff instead of talking about something that > > you have no idea about? > > Do you deny that the file named autoconf.h contains precicely

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:10:51PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > "Binary-only" is a misnomer, since one could translate them to ASCII > or EBDIC if they wanted to. I'm not quite sure whether you're > describing non-free kernel modules or kernel modules distributed in > precompiled form (or both

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:19:29AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > I'm actually referring to all binary modules. But for binary-only modules > in particular, since you don't have the luxuary of being able to recompile > them, it's even more important to supply the builder with enough information > assu

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:17:35AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > One file, composing of a few kilobytes, is an autogenerated header > > consisting of #define correctives enumerating the configuration. > > I think it's fairly clear that you were trying suggest that this is the > ONLY difference betw

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 04:32:03PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > But if I could ask a favor from you, why don't you post a list of > affected files, and hopefully some description of these and why they > are changed? There seems to be much confusion about the differences I won't bore everyone h

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:19:29AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: >> I'm actually referring to all binary modules. But for binary-only modules >> in particular, since you don't have the luxuary of being able to recompile >> them, it's even more important to sup

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Aaron Lehmann
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:47:14AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > No, but they can at least compile one for i386 easily as we're providing > matching kernel-headers. You're in exactly the same situation > (i.e., without binary modules) anyway if you compile your own kernel so > IMHO it's a moot point.

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build > system, then building them is as simple as a for loop. Have look at the > way kernel-image-i386 is built if you don't understand what I'm talking > about. Not ever

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 05:26:27PM -0700, Aaron Lehmann wrote: > > Ok, so why did this come up at all in the discussion of the kernel > package bloat? It seems to me that providing optimized kernels is a Because someone asked why the kernel-headers necessary. Their presence allows both our modul

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 10:31:06AM +1000, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build > > system, then building them is as simple as a for loop. Have look at the > > way kernel-image-i38

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build > > system, then building them is as simple as a for loop. Have look at the > > way kernel-image-i386 is built if you do

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Daniel Stone wrote: > Linux Kernel Developer I love this.. the only mention of 'daniel.*stone' in the entire kernel is a trivial patch to drivers/sound/sb_card.c.. Wichert. -- / Generally uninteresting signature - i

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:33:13AM -0500, Adam Heath wrote: > On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel Stone wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:15:09AM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > I think your concerns are not well-founded. If you have a sane build > > > system, then building them is as simple as a fo

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:40:27AM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > Previously Daniel Stone wrote: > > Linux Kernel Developer > > I love this.. the only mention of 'daniel.*stone' in the entire > kernel is a trivial patch to drivers/sound/sb_card.c.. Plus, numerous Netfilter things, which I have

New list request

2001-04-24 Thread Daniel Stone
Someone, please create a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. The rest, get over it. -- Daniel Stone Linux Kernel Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New list request

2001-04-24 Thread Jim Lynch
Daniel Stone, You need to update your people skills. Given your present arrogance and attitude, maybe you shouldn't be a debian maint. Why should you be trusted? -Jim

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:05:00AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > Again, I'm not ranting that NMUs occured. I'm ranting that they were > not done correctly. Fair enough. It is irresponsible for developers to be using any packages which aren't in the archive to build packages, as happened in this ca

Re: kernel-{image,headers} package bloat breaks module builders

2001-04-24 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel Stone wrote: > > Who says you have to compile debian packages on only machines you own? > > So tell elmo to get me through, and not, not do anything for 2 months. The > only other faster machines I have access to, run RedHat or Mandrake, and I > can't afford anything be

[troll] Re: New list request

2001-04-24 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Daniel Stone wrote: > Someone, please create a > [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. s/daniel-stone-is-not-really-a-Linux-Kernel-Developer/daniel-stone-is-looking-to-make-trouble-with-the-listmasters-and-alienate-even-more-people/

Re: NMUers: STOP BEING STUPID

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally I think the best way to avoid the problem is never > to install non-official/pre-release packages. Which is good but then how are you supposed to test them :) Just install them in a chroot and you won't have to worry about it. -- Debian GNU/

problems upgrading stable libc6 to unstable libc6

2001-04-24 Thread Brian May
Hello, when I tried to upgrade libc6 with apt-get 0.5.3, I encountered a number of problems. As I am not sure what packages are at fault, I will post here, as maybe some other debian developers can comment. I think resolving these problems is very important if the freeze is to take place any time

KernelWarning

2001-04-24 Thread David Spreen
Is it possible to get make-kpkg adding A note to a kernel-image-package which is displayed when the kernel-image is installed? so long... David -- __ _ | David "netzwurm" Spreen Kiel, Germany / _|___ ___| |__ __ _ _ _ | http://www.netzwurm.cc/ [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: problems upgrading stable libc6 to unstable libc6

2001-04-24 Thread Herbert Xu
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > when I tried to upgrade libc6 with apt-get 0.5.3, I encountered a > Preparing to replace libdb2 2:2.4.14-2.7.7.1.c (using > .../libdb2_2%3a2.7.7-7_i386.deb) ... > Unpacking replacement libdb2 ... > Replacing files in old package libc6 ... At this point any

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