Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Herbert Xu
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Anyway, from my personal experience, >> ifconfig/route/ping/traceroute/snmpnetstat are often used together to >> diagnose problems (or just waste time and bandwidth). > Tons of people use ping and traceroute without needing to invoke ifconfig, > rout

ITP & ITU: gconf

2000-08-17 Thread Takuo KITAME
Hello. I've packaged GNOME GConf and I'm maintaining it. My package is based on Vincent's Quick & dirty gconf package :P I'm intent to upload, if Vincent won't do it. Description: GConf is a configuration database system, functionally similar to the Windows registry but lots better. :-) It's be

Re: Bug tracking system and testing distribution Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-17 Thread Christoph Martin
Joey Hess writes: > Christoph Martin wrote: > > We have a problem with the bug tracking system as long as we can't > > really find out to which versions of a package a bug really > > applies. We only mosttimes have the version of the packages where a > > problem showed up. But we don't know if

Re: I propose gazillion packages (LONG)

2000-08-17 Thread Takuo KITAME
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 04:34:08 +0300 (EEST) > "JT" == Juhapekka Tolvanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... JT> First I'd like to tell, that I don't subscribe to debian-devel, but I can JT> read its archives from WWW. And I am not a Debian developer. JT> I propose these packages to be added t

Re: Office Suite for Debian Linux

2000-08-17 Thread Paul Slootman
On Wed 16 Aug 2000, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > "Sam Sim" wrote: > > > Dear Debian Linux, > > > > I am familiar with you operating system and wanted to contact you. > > Wow. How familiar can he be? Yeah, just what I was thinking. > > we will be in your area towards the end of

Re: I propose gazillion packages (LONG)

2000-08-17 Thread Paul Slootman
On Thu 17 Aug 2000, Juhapekka Tolvanen wrote: > I propose these packages to be added to Debian GNU/Linux. I have proposed them > once before, but they are not yet added. I think you should research a bit better. On browsing your list, I saw at least two packages that I already have installed: box

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Adam McKenna
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 07:22:26PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Quoting the FHS: > > > Deciding what things go into "sbin" directories is simple: If a normal > > (not a system administrator) user will ever run it directly, then it > > should

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 03:27:12AM -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: > Any user who has a legitimate reason to run ifconfig is a system > administrator, and thus should have /sbin and /usr/sbin in his path. Facilities like /etc/login.defs do discriminate to this fine degree. They know two kinds of user

Re: Bug tracking system and testing distribution Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-17 Thread Joey Hess
Christoph Martin wrote: > So, what is the policy to do with a package for the "testing" > distribution, if there is an important bug? Do you remove the package > unconditionaly or do you try investigate (like in the rc buglist) if > the bug really applies? Well if I were AJ I would just mechanical

Re: Is dh_installxfonts okay?

2000-08-17 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: > You are correct. My original implementation was messed up in this respect > and the person who wrote dh_installxfonts copied my mistake. This problem > in fixed in the XFree86 xfonts-* packages but not, apparently, in > dh_installxfonts. It is now. -- see shy jo

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Adam McKenna
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 02:38:55AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 03:27:12AM -0400, Adam McKenna wrote: > > Any user who has a legitimate reason to run ifconfig is a system > > administrator, and thus should have /sbin and /usr/sbin in his path. > > Facilities like /etc/

ITP: tct (The coroner's toolkit)

2000-08-17 Thread Andrew Stribblehill
Package: tct Priority: optional Section: web Description: The coroner's toolkit A set of low-level (read dangerous) tools which can be used to help reconstruct a partial event log after a break-in, and to retrieve deleted files. Usually you need to have installed it before you need to restore a

Re: ITP: freeswan

2000-08-17 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 11:17:36AM +0200, Rene Mayrhofer wrote: > I intent to package freeswan (currently version 1.5) and have already taken > the > freeswan 1.3 package from Tommi Virtanen and the freeswan 1.5 package from > Aaron > Johnson. I will merge those with my own package and hope to ge

Re: ITP: freeswan

2000-08-17 Thread Remco van de Meent
Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Sounds good. Can you bug upstream to include support for other > authentication methods eg SecureID? I'm stuck with a Windows IPsec > client until SecureID is supported. KAME (on BSD) doesn't appear to > do it either. SecureID is really in another "layer" of authentication.

Yet Another Debian logo buttons

2000-08-17 Thread Takuo KITAME
Hello. I've influenced by Mr. Craig Small's and created yet another Debian logo buttons. (csmall's are at http://www.debian.org/~csmall/). I put mine at http://www.debian.org/~kitame/ How about this? Thanks. -- Takuo Kitame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Ben Collins
I've gotten reports that the ISO for CD#1 on sparc is completely broken. Although the packages and dist files are there, the CD will not boot, since almost none of the boot1 files are on the image. Now I could blame this on Phil, who created the images, but that wouldn't be right, since he can't b

RTP: xlHtml

2000-08-17 Thread Martin Schulze
It's a converter XLS->HTML, XLS is used by some proprietery software from the Dark Side... http://www.xlhtml.org/xlHtml-0.2.7.2.tar.gz Regards, Joey -- Whenever you meet yourself you're in a time loop or in front of a mirror. Please always Cc to me when replying to me on the lists.

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 06:31:04AM -0400, Ben Collins wrote: > Well, you get the point. I don't want to place blame. I just don't want to > see this shit happen again. Here's what I want to see next time (2.2 r1): Well, one thing that'd help would be having a cdimage.debian.org that doesn't crash

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Philip Hands
Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I could blame myself, but the fact is the image was not created right (it > needs to be done as either root, or under fakeroot, which requires the > *entire* process be done in a single session, not multiple fakeroot > incantations, which might be the caus

Re: ITP & ITU: gconf

2000-08-17 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Takuo KITAME wrote: > Hello. > > I've packaged GNOME GConf and I'm maintaining it. > My package is based on Vincent's Quick & dirty gconf package :P > > I'm intent to upload, if Vincent won't do it. Please go ahead ;) Hint: gconf-0.8 is needed by the preview version of Nau

Bug#69314: general: pdksh on cdimage.debian.org binary-i386-2.iso seems corrupt.

2000-08-17 Thread Jun Hamano
Package: general Version: 2817 Severity: important I rsynced binary-i386-2.iso from cdimage.debian.org and the ISO image itself passes the MD5SUMS check; this proves that the problem I discovered is something everybody will encounter when they get their CDs from CD distributors who burn

ITP: frontbase

2000-08-17 Thread Michael Meskes
Yes, I know it's totally non-free and binary only, but I like database systems. :-) http://www.frontbase.com Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael@Fam-Meskes.De Go SF 49ers! Go Rhein Fire! Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!

Re: ITP & ITU: gconf

2000-08-17 Thread Takuo KITAME
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "VR" == Vincent Renardias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... VR> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Takuo KITAME wrote: >> Hello. >> >> I've packaged GNOME GConf and I'm maintaining it. >> My package is based on Vincent's Quick & dirty gconf package :P >> >> I'm intent

Implementing "testing" (was: Re: Potato now stable)

2000-08-17 Thread Anthony Towns
Hello world, So, on -devel-announce, I mentioned: > * New "testing" distribution > This is a (mostly finished) project that will allow us > to test out distribution by making it "sludgey" rather > than frozen: that is, a new distribution is added be

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 07:19:09AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > If you don't want to download realplayer right now, why are you > installing the package? E.g., you might have a slow network connection and want to deal with the download later. (So you can finish installing everything else without pau

Re: I propose gazillion packages (LONG)

2000-08-17 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
On 17 Aug 2000, Juhapekka Tolvanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.cpt.univ-mrs.fr/~penne/Zsid/ > > Yes, we have that xsidplay, but it uses qt-libraries, and therefore it is > not in main-directory. Zsid is under GNU GPL. I would actually use this > program. I think this is a good idea.

Re: ITP & ITU: gconf

2000-08-17 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Takuo KITAME wrote: > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > "VR" == Vincent Renardias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... > VR> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Takuo KITAME wrote: > > >> Hello. > >> > >> I've packaged GNOME GConf and I'm maintaining it. > >> My package is based on V

Re: I propose gazillion packages (LONG)

2000-08-17 Thread Gopal Narayanan
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 04:34:08AM +0300, Juhapekka Tolvanen wrote: > > Varkon: > > Personally I do not use CAD-software, but this is so ueber-cool thing that > I just can't help informing you all about this: > > A CAD-software called Varkon is now available under the terms of GNU GPL. > It wou

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Herbert Xu wrote: > snmpnetstat will show the routing table of routers that export it > through SNMP. My point is that route in this case is simply a > special case of snpmnetstat. Most routers have a security arrangement so that the information is not public. Jason

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hi, a side note, but I think an important one. Ben Collins wrote: >We have to remember, vendors are burning these CD's almost as soon as >we make them available. WE are costing them money when we fuck up, and >it isn't thre fault because they expect these things to work when we >m

Re: ITP: Moscow ML - An implementation of standard ML.

2000-08-17 Thread Jean-Philippe Guérard
Le 2000-08-16 01:55:59 -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier écrivait : > > > > Don't do that. Moscow ML was my first package when I joined and I had > > > > to learn that there are license problems. To be precise it is based on > > > > Caml Light which is not GPLed (read: has further restrictions) therefore

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Philip Hands
Anthony Towns writes: > Well, one thing that'd help would be having a cdimage.debian.org that > doesn't crash all the time. That's the main reason we didn't have any > time at all to check things, or for Phil to double check things with you > as to how things should be done when the first sparc i

WG: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Annette . Schweigardt
Not for me Mit freundlichen Grüßen Annette Schweigardt AOK BD Heidenheim Gesundheitszentrum Daimlerstraße 6 89518 Heidenheim Tel: (07321) 314 250 Fax: (07321) 314 252 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Philip Hands [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet am: Do

WG: ITP: Moscow ML - An implementation of standard ML.

2000-08-17 Thread Annette . Schweigardt
Not for me... Mit freundlichen Grüßen Annette Schweigardt AOK BD Heidenheim Gesundheitszentrum Daimlerstraße 6 89518 Heidenheim Tel: (07321) 314 250 Fax: (07321) 314 252 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet am:

WG: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Annette . Schweigardt
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WG: ITP: Moscow ML - An implementation of standard ML.

2000-08-17 Thread Annette . Schweigardt
Not For me... Mit freundlichen Grüßen Annette Schweigardt AOK BD Heidenheim Gesundheitszentrum Daimlerstraße 6 89518 Heidenheim Tel: (07321) 314 250 Fax: (07321) 314 252 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet am:

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Aug-00, 23:43 (CDT), Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 05:48:11PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > What trouble is that? I don't consider having to type /sbin/traceroute > > or add /sbin to my path "trouble". > > Obviously you haven't typed the actual p

WG: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Annette . Schweigardt
Not for me... Mit freundlichen Grüßen Annette Schweigardt AOK BD Heidenheim Gesundheitszentrum Daimlerstraße 6 89518 Heidenheim Tel: (07321) 314 250 Fax: (07321) 314 252 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet am:

WG: floppy disk

2000-08-17 Thread Annette . Schweigardt
Not for me Mit freundlichen Grüßen Annette Schweigardt AOK BD Heidenheim Gesundheitszentrum Daimlerstraße 6 89518 Heidenheim Tel: (07321) 314 250 Fax: (07321) 314 252 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet am

WG: Netscape Probs

2000-08-17 Thread Annette . Schweigardt
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WG: ITP: Moscow ML - An implementation of standard ML.

2000-08-17 Thread Annette . Schweigardt
Not for me... Mit freundlichen Grüßen Annette Schweigardt AOK BD Heidenheim Gesundheitszentrum Daimlerstraße 6 89518 Heidenheim Tel: (07321) 314 250 Fax: (07321) 314 252 EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gesendet am:

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Aug-00, 02:11 (CDT), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Belive it or not, I know how to safely manage temp files and protect > sensitive information with unix permissions. I know you do, Joey, but my concern is that since the permission violation occurs in the backend, when the backend

Re: WG: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Peter Makholm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Not for me... Life is nice isn't it? (And then stop sending this "Not for me"-answers all the time or something bad could happend) -- Peter

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Marcus" == Marcus Brinkmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Marcus> We can put everything in /bin and make /sbin a link to /bin. Marcus> This way the utilities the FHS liste can be found in /sbin, Marcus> but there physical place is elsewhere. This does not violate Marcus> the standard.

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Manoj Srivastava) wrote on 14.08.00 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>"John" == John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> No real reason? Only one package can listen in on port 25, and > > John> There is no real reason that all must listen on port 25. > > Then you and I

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adrian Bridgett) wrote on 16.08.00 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 12:31:47 -0500 (+), Branden Robinson wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 07:22:26PM +1000, Herbert Xu wrote: > > > Well, the FHS is contradicting itself here. On one hand, it says that > >

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jacob Kuntz) wrote on 15.08.00 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Clint Adams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > No real reason? Only one package can listen in on port 25, and > > > > Only one package can listen on port 25 of one IP. It is possible to > > have multiple packages listeni

Re: Potato now stable

2000-08-17 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason Gunthorpe) wrote on 14.08.00 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Joey Hess wrote: > > You know, if apt could only support Reccommends, task packages could be > I don't care for this much, it breaks the model that apt-get follows, it Well, I'd *very very much

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> As to mount telling us what is mounted, so does df, and cat >> /etc/mtab. again, not enough to move mount; unless one is being >> contrary. Joey> I dont follow this. 'echo *' can tell me what files are in a directory; Joey> a system witho

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:42:57AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 16-Aug-00, 23:43 (CDT), Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 05:48:11PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: > > > What trouble is that? I don't consider having to type /sbin/traceroute > > > or add

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Branden> There is policy on this topic. We say we will comply with Branden> the FHS. (We should probably say we will be compatible Branden> instead, else our distribution is literally riddled with FHS Branden> violations.)

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Branden> Well, keep in mind that Debian has committed itself to Branden> FHS-compatibility, not FHS-compliance. This means that we Branden> are free to have symlinks standing between a pathname and Branden> the inode. We hav

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 04:10:53PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Anthony Towns writes: > > > Well, one thing that'd help would be having a cdimage.debian.org that > > doesn't crash all the time. That's the main reason we didn't have any > > time at all to check things, or for Phil to double check

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Branden> On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 10:53:51AM -0400, Raul Miller wrote: >> d) they don't know about an alternative command which is already in >> their path. [For example: netstat -er gives the same information >> as route.] Branden

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Thomas Sippel - Dau
Anthony Towns wrote: > > FHS discuss people: where should traceroute go? Tradition dictates > /usr/sbin, the FHS seems to indicate /usr/bin would be more appropriate. I think it should be in /usr/bin, certainly if it is setuid. So should ping, and mount and umount. It is most annoying if you inse

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Kai" == Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kai> AFAIK most MTAs can be convinced to use a different port. I Kai> wonder why that is? You are missing the point. How often do these things have to be done? How difficult is it to install two different MTA's as things stand?

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Kai" == Kai Henningsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Kai> Nothing, if the definition of "user tools" matches the FHS /bin - /sbin Kai> distinction, which says that if users ever run the thing, it belongs in Kai> /bin. I think there is a modicum on common sense expetced to be appl

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 11:39:23AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Branden> Well, keep in mind that Debian has committed itself to > Branden> FHS-compatibility, not FHS-compliance. This means that we > Branden> are free to have s

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 11:35:31AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Should we not rather make an attempt to get rid of some of > those incompatibilities, rather than throwing our hands in disgust > and punting on it before we even start? Have fun hacking apt. -- G. Branden Robinson

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Branden Robinson
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 11:48:06AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > (I am sure one can come up with some reason for moving every single > probgram out of sbin, and thus lose all the benefits of the split). Could you remind me what these benefits are again? Pretend for a moment that the FHS does

Re: policy changes toward Non-Interactive installation

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Joey> The package is intended to enforce two invarients: Joey> 1) If it is installed, realplayer is installed. Joey> 2) If it is installed and current, the current version of realplayer is Joey>installed. Right. I just do nt see t

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread J.A. Bezemer
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Ben Collins wrote: > I've gotten reports that the ISO for CD#1 on sparc is completely broken. > Although the packages and dist files are there, the CD will not boot, > since almost none of the boot1 files are on the image. I'd hardly call this "completely broken". I guess yo

ITP: w3c-libwww (was: ITP & ITU: gconf)

2000-08-17 Thread Takuo KITAME
> On Thu, 17 Aug 2000 12:59:34 + (GMT) > "VR" == Vincent Renardias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote... >> Well, How about gnome-vfs and w3c-libwww ? VR> I'll upload a new gnome-vfs package as soon as you've uploaded gconf-0.8 VR> (the package is ready, it's just waiting for a decent version

Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread esoR ocsirF
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 06:54:24AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: > > The question that seems to want to be raised is whether this > > is true? Are people really confused more by having extra commands > > available, or are they confused by _not_ havingcertain commands > > present? > > Sounds fine

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Ben Collins
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 07:43:48PM +0200, J.A. Bezemer wrote: > > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Ben Collins wrote: > > > I've gotten reports that the ISO for CD#1 on sparc is completely broken. > > Although the packages and dist files are there, the CD will not boot, > > since almost none of the boot1 fil

ITP: gopher, gopherd, gopherindex

2000-08-17 Thread John Goerzen
Hi, I intend to package up the gopher suite from UMN, together with my patches to it. Note: they have informed me it will be GPL'd shortly.

Re: kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, To recap: a) potato install installed 2.2.17. You now want a new kernel b) You moved /lib/modules/2.2.17 to 2.2.17-old c) you installed your own version of 2.2.17 d) You now have one /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17, and both /vmlinuz and /vmlinuz.old link to it. There is o real w

Re: ITP: gopher, gopherd, gopherindex

2000-08-17 Thread Christian Surchi
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 01:30:29PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > I intend to package up the gopher suite from UMN, together with my > patches to it. > > Note: they have informed me it will be GPL'd shortly. URL and actual license? -- Christian Surchi | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-17 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Atsuhito" == Atsuhito Kohda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Atsuhito> From: Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Atsuhito> Subject: Re: kernel-image with the same version Atsuhito> Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 18:54:29 -0400 >> Edit /etc/kernel-img.conf and add this line: >> >> reverse_symlink := yes

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Philip Hands
Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > WTF is the difference? Nothing but a naming scheme. It's still a change, > either way you do it, why do you want to nitpick the mechanism? Personally, I'd favour doing something that makes it as clear as possible that it was a CD production SNAFU, and tha

mkfs in /sbin, mkisofs in /usr/bin (was: Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 11:26:17AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > The things that we do put in /sbin, for the same reasons, we > expect that the average user will not use them and might be confused > by encountering them. For example, mkfs and fsck and so forth are in > /sbin. Anyon

Re: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread J.A. Bezemer
On 17 Aug 2000, Philip Hands wrote: > Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > WTF is the difference? Nothing but a naming scheme. It's still a change, > > either way you do it, why do you want to nitpick the mechanism? > > Personally, I'd favour doing something that makes it as clear as >

Re: I propose gazillion packages (LONG)

2000-08-17 Thread Christian Kurz
On 00-08-17 Juhapekka Tolvanen wrote: > AIDE: > http://www.cs.tut.fi/~rammer/aide.html |[EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-cache show aide |Package: aide |Version: 0.7-6 |[...] |Maintainer: Mike Markley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > boxes: > http://www6.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/~tsjensen/boxes/ |[E

Re: mkfs in /sbin, mkisofs in /usr/bin (was: Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread tony mancill
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 11:26:17AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > > The things that we do put in /sbin, for the same reasons, we > > expect that the average user will not use them and might be confused > > by encountering them. For examp

Re: kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-17 Thread Ingo Saitz
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 01:44:24PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > To recap: > a) potato install installed 2.2.17. You now want a new kernel > b) You moved /lib/modules/2.2.17 to 2.2.17-old > c) you installed your own version of 2.2.17 > d) You now have one /boot/vmlinuz-2.2.17, an

Subpackaging (Was: Potato now stable)

2000-08-17 Thread Edward Betts
Drake Diedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Under the Irix packaging system (quite nice UI except that it has to > handle Irix packages..) packages exist in a hierarchy, with lowest level > packages quite fine grained. For example: > > I fw_bzip2 02/28/2000 bzip2-0.9.0c Compress/

Re: mkfs in /sbin, mkisofs in /usr/bin (was: Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Peter S Galbraith
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > There is some inconsistency here. > > ulysses:~# which mkisofs > /usr/bin/mkisofs > ulysses:~# which mke2fs > /sbin/mke2fs tony mancill wrote: > I disagree. You *NEED* to have a copy of mke2fs in the root filesystem > in case /usr or any other m

Web Page needs updated

2000-08-17 Thread esoR ocsirF
Hello all, I was going to submit a bug reprt but I wasn't sure which virtual package the web page was listed under. The main Debian web page still points to the slink info under "Distribution" -> Installation Instructions I am assuming that this is incorrect as potato is now stable. Will someone

Re: mkfs in /sbin, mkisofs in /usr/bin (was: Re: Intent To Split: netbase

2000-08-17 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 04:15:17PM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: > On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > There is some inconsistency here. > > > > ulysses:~# which mkisofs > > /usr/bin/mkisofs > > ulysses:~# which mke2fs > > /sbin/mke2fs > > tony mancill wrote: > > > I disagree. Y

Re: Subpackaging (Was: Potato now stable)

2000-08-17 Thread Decklin Foster
Edward Betts writes: > Possible layout > ~~~ I like the plan a lot. some thoughts: > doc/examples.tar.gz /usr/share/doc/examples/* > locale/*/gettext.tar.gz gettext translations I wonder if the default docs should not go in a locale/ subdir for the proper language (English

Bug#33993: general: Should log all the boot messages

2000-08-17 Thread Decklin Foster
Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Package: general > Version: N/A > Severity: wishlist > > There are too many boot messages, and they sometimes scroll too > fast. It would be nice to log all the output from the boot scripts. Huh? does dmesg not do what you want? -- There is no

Re: ITP: gopher, gopherd, gopherindex

2000-08-17 Thread John Goerzen
I'll post such when the change takes place, which should occur in a matter of a few days. Christian Surchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 01:30:29PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > > I intend to package up the gopher suite from UMN, together with my > > patches to it. > >

Re: Bug#33993: general: Should log all the boot messages

2000-08-17 Thread Colin Watson
Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> There are too many boot messages, and they sometimes scroll too >> fast. It would be nice to log all the output from the boot scripts. > >Huh? does dmesg not do what you want? dmesg do

Bug#33993: general: Should log all the boot messages

2000-08-17 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Decklin Foster wrote: > Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Package: general > > Version: N/A > > Severity: wishlist > > > > There are too many boot messages, and they sometimes scroll too > > fast. It would be nice to log all the output from the boot scri

Re: I propose gazillion packages (LONG)

2000-08-17 Thread Franklin Belew
> XMLTerm > > http://xmlterm.com/ > > XMLterm - A graphical command line interface. If you don't understand, check > out those screenshots. > This is merely a compoenent in mozilla, I believe the debs I created include it... http://master.debian.org/~frb/mozilla Frank aka Myth pgpAD5jnkVGD

ITP: transarc/IBM AFS

2000-08-17 Thread Mark W. Eichin
package: wnpp severity: normal IBM announced at LinuxWorld the "Open AFS" release of AFS under the IPL; relevant URLs include http://oss.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/ http://www.transarc.com AFS is the "Andrew File System", as originally done at CMU and spun off to Transarc which i

Nautilus Debian Package

2000-08-17 Thread Takuo KITAME
Hi. I've built Nautilus 0.1.0 release package. (for woody) Just now, it depends on some Incoming packages such as gtkhtml or gconf. So, I put also some needed packages medusa, w3c-libwww, gconf and gnome-vfs. I'm intent to upload nautilus, medusa and w3c-libwww to Debian main stream. gconf was up

Re: Office Suite for Debian Linux

2000-08-17 Thread Mike Markley
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 09:07:09AM +0200, Paul Slootman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake forth: > I wonder how he's going to be in dozens of countries across the world > towards the end of September :-) This is so clearly a standard ploy > to attract business; if someone responds, he goes to where ever

Re: Subpackaging (Was: Potato now stable)

2000-08-17 Thread Edward Betts
Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I like the plan a lot. some thoughts: Glade to hear it. > I wonder if the default docs should not go in a locale/ subdir for the > proper language (English for most of what exists now). I know very > little about i18b so I won't comment on the implement

Re: Subpackaging (Was: Potato now stable)

2000-08-17 Thread Edward Betts
Edward Betts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How would it be implemented? > > My recommendation would be one directory per package. Each subpackage could > just be part of a .tar.gz file. Having the binary dependent parts listed here > would imply that the package locate c

Re: WG: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread goswin . brederlow
Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Not for me... > > Life is nice isn't it? > > > (And then stop sending this "Not for me"-answers all the time or > something bad could happend) I would guess thats a mial loop, like an away message. MfG Go

Re: kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-17 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: kernel-image with the same version Date: 17 Aug 2000 13:44:24 -0500 > To recap: > a) potato install installed 2.2.17. You now want a new kernel > b) You moved /lib/modules/2.2.17 to 2.2.17-old > c) you installed your own version of 2

Re: kernel-image with the same version

2000-08-17 Thread Atsuhito Kohda
From: Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: kernel-image with the same version Date: 17 Aug 2000 13:50:13 -0500 > Atsuhito> Okay I will try later. BTW, /etc/kernel-img.conf might > Atsuhito> be /etc/kernel-pkg.conf > > Umm, /etc/kernel-pkg.conf is what is looked at when one

Re: Web Page needs updated

2000-08-17 Thread James A. Treacy
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 01:31:51PM -0700, esoR ocsirF wrote: > Hello all, > I was going to submit a bug reprt but I wasn't sure which virtual > package the web page was listed under. > > The main Debian web page still points to the slink info under > "Distribution" -> Installation Instructions >

Re: WG: Broken bootable SPARC CD#1, and why this happened

2000-08-17 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 02:39:26AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Peter Makholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > > Not for me... > > > > Life is nice isn't it? > > > > > > (And then stop sending this "Not for me"-answers all the time or > > something bad

SPARC images rebuilt

2000-08-17 Thread Philip Hands
"J.A. Bezemer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Okay; I think r0.1 will be the only thing fitting nicely in the > disklabel (32 bytes), as powerpc-sparc=2 ;-) Unfortunately, it didn't seem to want to fit (I fail to understand why, and I'm too tired to work it out). So the disk label has been set th

Re: Subpackaging (Was: Potato now stable)

2000-08-17 Thread Anthony Towns
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 08:58:31PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote: > How about a little brainstorming to pick some categories that could be used > in debian. > > Possible layout > ~~~ > control.tar.gzpackage system stuff, depends, postinst, etc > signatures.tar.gz signat

OT: 64MB laptop DIMM for donation

2000-08-17 Thread tony mancill
Sorry to post this to -devel, but it wasn't clear where else to post, and I didn't have any luck on IRC. Plus, hopefully this will help somebody out. I have 64MB memory module from an IBM Thinkpad 385XD but it should fit in any model that takes 60ns 8Mx64 3.3v memory. (I don't know if it's buffe

Re: build dependencies

2000-08-17 Thread bug1
Peter S Galbraith wrote: > > bug1 wrote: > > > It would be cool if packages had better support for build dependencies > > so its easier/more reliable to build from source. > > Something like this? > > Source: gri > Section: math > Priority: optional > Maintainer: Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTE