booting bzImage with chos

1997-06-14 Thread Bruce Perens
Chos is able to chain to a LILO boot block on a partition. It worked fine chaining to /dev/hdd, for example. So you can boot bzImage kernels that way until someone fixes "chos". Nice program. I think it assumes that /boot is on the first drive, doesn't it? Thanks Bruce -- Bruce

Re: Simple policy question...

1997-06-14 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> Okay, so say some random person who has installed Debian wants XEmacs 19.15 > because he needs some feature. This seems like a reasonable request... He > could get it from the Hamm distribution, except that would mean he'd need > libc6...and he doesn't want to do that, because he's heard that i

Re: libc6 policy in unstable

1997-06-14 Thread Scott K. Ellis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Brian White wrote: > > > Do we also want to remove all libc5 dependant packages at some point? I > > > think this would be a good idea since otherwise things are going to get > > > pretty messed up. We might want to do all three immediatel

Re: booting bzImage with chos

1997-06-14 Thread Erik B. Andersen
> > Chos is able to chain to a LILO boot block on a partition. It worked fine > chaining to /dev/hdd, for example. So you can boot bzImage kernels that > way until someone fixes "chos". > > Nice program. I think it assumes that /boot is on the first drive, > doesn't it? > > Thanks > >

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Bruce Perens
Regarding how to make your library re-entrant, you must have no global or static variables that are not protected by mutexes. In general it is easy to deal with this by passing your state structure as a pointer argument to all of your functions rather than by using a global variable. I don't know w

Re: Perl Police (was Re: Bug#10405: package naming)

1997-06-14 Thread Carey Evans
Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [snip] > I just had a look at an (old) index file of CPAN. The ".tar.gz" of the > modules have better names for us, for example: "Date-GetDate-2.00.tar.gz". > This could easily be converted to "lib-date-getdate-perl_2.00.deb". Sounds good. [snip] >

Re: Simple policy question...

1997-06-14 Thread Sam Ockman
Okay, so say some random person who has installed Debian wants XEmacs 19.15 because he needs some feature. This seems like a reasonable request... He could get it from the Hamm distribution, except that would mean he'd need libc6...and he doesn't want to do that, because he's heard that it will a

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Santiago Vila Doncel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: > I second the motion. Smail has been nothing but a headache for me. I was > *so* releived to get fetchpop working, so that I could bypass the need to > pass my mail thru port 25 on my own machine for delivery. > > pine +

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Andy Mortimer
On Jun 13, Helmut Geyer wrote > Our aim for Debian 2.0 is to provide all libs as reentrant. It usually > isn't enough just to compile it with -D_REENTRANT. You have to avoid > static and global variables and do some mutex locking. Can anybody point me to some more information about this? If I'm go

Re: points on future installation disks development

1997-06-14 Thread Tom Lees
On 9 Jun 1997, Sven Rudolph wrote: > My ideas on boot-floppies' future: > > - rewrite dinstall in C - reasons: > - runtime improvements > - don't run fdisk -l that often > - todo: make a libsfdisk from sfdisk > - more complex datastructures (avoid using sed often) > - more compl

Re: Some ideas about the text db

1997-06-14 Thread Tom Lees
On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, David Frey wrote: > Hi Tom, Hi. > > Basically, we first have a "/default" directory, which every package > > imports its default settings into. > > > > User configuration is put under "/config", which means that the system > > will first look under /config, then /default whe

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Philip Hands
> > > Both qmail (which proved insecure ) > > > > To what are you referring ? > > Probably what was reported on the djb-qmail mailing list, where you > start sending data, but no CR-LF, down the line and qmail malloc's > some memory for it, then malloc's some more, and some more, etc. I > haven'

Re: Simple policy question...

1997-06-14 Thread joost witteveen
> Okay, I know that before 1.3 was released, for a long time period the only > changes that were being accepted were updates that fixed bugs. Updates that > only provided new features were not allowed. > > Now that 1.3 has "shipped", are updates allowed to replace old packages, or > are replacmen

Re: Proposed new virtual package: zcode-interpreter (long)

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Charles Briscoe-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've been putting together a few packages of Z-code stuff, following my > previous posting, and want to use a virtual package, > `zcode-interpreter'... I'd like to put the appropriate man-page before > yo

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Santiago Vila Doncel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > BTW: There will be a completely GPLed procmail in hamm soon. Could we make > it the "standard MDA" as well? :-) [ Red-Hat *already* does this ] Not if we adopt exim as the standard MTA: although exim works

Re: PING of Maintainer Address

1997-06-14 Thread Brian White
> >Just to be clear... Are they obsolete (i.e. should be removed) or > >are they orphaned (i.e. no longer supported)? > > repair was a bug-reporting script I wrote a long time ago, it never > really achieve all the functionality intended and is probably out of > date with respect to the modern bu

Re: Koules now only for X?????

1997-06-14 Thread SirDibos
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Mark Baker wrote: > We need X versions too (I'm not going anywhere near svgalib or other console > stuff, I've been forced to reboot too many times, which isn't very funny > when I've also got other users logged in). Umm. My system is a home system. Why were you runnin

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Eichin
debian's Xfree86 3.2 packages were not built reentrant. I'm working on the 3.3 libraries now, and once they're stable and working, I'll be adding other support to them. (have you ever tried programming with X and threads? you probably want to only use Display* per-thread anyhow...)

Re: Compiling with libc6

1997-06-14 Thread joost witteveen
> There are some maintainers that must keep their machines on the stable > tree (and thus libc5) for various reasons. > > Is there a machine somewhere these developers can log in to for the sole > purpose of building release packages? If nobody else comes forward, I'd be willing to do so. My mac

Re: Koules now only for X?????

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, SirDibos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> We need X versions too (I'm not going anywhere near svgalib or other console >> stuff, I've been forced to reboot too many times, which isn't very funny >> when I've also got other users logged in). > > Umm. My

Re: mgetty-voice

1997-06-14 Thread Christoph Lameter
mgetty-voice was removed from the distribution because of the explicit demand of the author. Please ask him before putting mgetty-voice back into the distribution. In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: : Greetings! I've been reading here recently about the mgetty package : looking for a new

Re: mgetty-voice

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Camm Maguire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Greetings! I've been reading here recently about the mgetty package > looking for a new maintainer. What's the status on this? I'd like to > suggest to the new maintainer to rebundle the vgetty extension, as the > program is quite usable, IMHO, in spit

Simple policy question...

1997-06-14 Thread Sam Ockman
Okay, I know that before 1.3 was released, for a long time period the only changes that were being accepted were updates that fixed bugs. Updates that only provided new features were not allowed. Now that 1.3 has "shipped", are updates allowed to replace old packages, or are replacment packages s

Re: Koules now only for X?????

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, SirDibos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Why is Koules only available for X??? I *loved* the variety of console > games that came with Debian. Now one by one they are being X'ised from > the distribution =( We need X versions too (I'm not going anywhere ne

Re: Bug#10516: gs-aladdin: Depends on svgalib1 (>= 1.210-1) which does not allow svgalib-dummy to fulfill the dependency

1997-06-14 Thread Roman Hodek
I've missed the start of this discussion, but I'm the maintainer of svgalib-dummy, and the issue of dependencies came up already several times... > Are there other people that would like the dependancy change > > - Depends: svgalib1 (>= 1:1.2.10-2) > + Depends: svgalib1 (>= 1:1.2.10-2)|svgadummy

Re: booting bzImage with chos

1997-06-14 Thread Bruce Perens
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik B. Andersen) > Yup. I tried to use a kernel on my second hard drive one, and it gave a > error when I ran chos. However, it's able to chain to the second drive just fine . I think its installer needs to be taught to figure out which BIOS drive /boot lives on, and to

thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Guenter Geiger
I am rather new to this list, so excuse me if this question has already been dealt with. Will there be kernel level thread support for Debian ? The Linuxthreads package from Xavier Leroy is a very good Thread Library supporting Posix threads. In order to develop threaded applications there sho

Anyone using transparent proxying?

1997-06-14 Thread Michael Meskes
The title almost says it all. I just upgraded to pre-patch-2.0.31-2, but it seems transparent proxying still doesn't work. My first rule says: acc/r tcp anywhere anywhere any -> www => tproxy but still tproxy does not get the connection. I tried to trace it but it appears

Re: libc6 policy in unstable

1997-06-14 Thread Brian White
> > Do we also want to remove all libc5 dependant packages at some point? I > > think this would be a good idea since otherwise things are going to get > > pretty messed up. We might want to do all three immediately. > > * all packages should be libc6 when "hamm" is frozen. (later?) Yes, they s

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. I agree entirely. Though we should keep smail for people who use smail elsewhere and don't want to switch. > - Exim is scalable from running from

Re: manpages missing (system calls)

1997-06-14 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Michael Meskes wrote: > ls /usr/man/man2 says: > > create_module.2.gz > delete_module.2.gz > get_kernel_syms.2.gz > init_module.2.gz > intro.2.gz > modules.2.gz > query_module.2.gz > > where are the others? > > I also miss the libc function manpages like fgets. Get the ne

locale errors

1997-06-14 Thread Erv Walter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- The locale errors are getting extremely annoying. What is the most correct way to solve the problems. unsetting LANG solves the problem, but I can't find where it is getting set in the first place. That's not the most elegant solution anyway. My locale vers

Re: inetd question

1997-06-14 Thread Peter Tobias
On Jun 13, Michael Meskes wrote: > Thanks Peter. > > I guess it's the ident service. So I try nowait.120 and see what > happens. Of course it is the ident service (that's what the error message of inetd said). But the ident service is not a service that is used alone. You have an application/serv

Re: Fixing X problems for 1.3.0...

1997-06-14 Thread John Goerzen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: > 3. 3.3 to stable > >I really don't see why this should not happen in due time. Agreed. -- John Goerzen | Running Debian GNU/Linux (www.debian.org) Custom Programming| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST:

Re: PING of Maintainer Address

1997-06-14 Thread Brian White
> I've had these messages before, and followed the instructions for > stating that I no longer maintain the packages in question. But they > still keep appearing. These things tend to get overriden by the automated scripts. > Can somebody *please* sort this out, and tell me that they have don

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Christoph Lameter
Sourcecode is available for chos and it has been GPLed by the author after several people talked with him (among them me on behalf of Debian). On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: > > >On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: >> > Also we might think about replacing lilo with chos as the standard boo

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander Koch) wrote on 13.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Quoting Philip Hands ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Qmail is most definitely capable of UUCP (I use it here), and AFAIK bang > > paths can be done with rmail. > > With what addition? Last time I really tried it, it was only

RE: inetd question

1997-06-14 Thread Michael Meskes
Thanks Peter. I guess it's the ident service. So I try nowait.120 and see what happens. Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes, Projekt-Manager| topsystem Systemhaus GmbH [EMAIL PROTECTED]| Europark A2, Adenauerstr. 20 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 52146 Wuerselen Go SF

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Carey Evans
Philip Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Let me remind you of one thing... > > > > Both qmail (which proved insecure ) > > To what are you referring ? Probably what was reported on the djb-qmail mailing list, where you start sending data, but no CR-LF, down the line and qmail malloc's some

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Christoph Lameter
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: >speaking of which. if I packaged up fetchpop, could it get included in >debian? I much prefer it to fetchmail. if only fetchmail had a -o or a >localfolder option! Also, fetchpop guides you thru creation of the >appropriate config file the first time you r

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Helmut Geyer
Guenter Geiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I am rather new to this list, so excuse me if this question has > already been dealt with. > > > Will there be kernel level thread support for Debian ? > > The Linuxthreads package from Xavier Leroy is a very good Thread > Library supporting Posix t

Re: libc6 policy in unstable

1997-06-14 Thread Milan Zamazal
> "BW" == Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: :: * July 15th: All libraries *must* be libc6. :: * July 31th: All packages must be libc6. What about: * June 30th: Bug reports on all non-libc6 libraries. * July 15th: All libraries libc6 compatible. * July 31th: Bug reports on all l

Re: Proposed new virtual package: zcode-interpreter (long)

1997-06-14 Thread Bruce Perens
Charles Briscoe-Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I haven't got a master account yet, From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) > Nor have I, despite having applied for one (with a signed key) nearly > three weeks ago. :( Oops. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail is down this evening as is all mail @debian.org .

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Guenter Geiger
Mark Eichin writes: > be adding other support to them. (have you ever tried programming > with X and threads? you probably want to only use Display* per-thread > anyhow...) Yes, I've tried - that's how I came to this topic. The problem is with the global errno variable. As Xlib does a lot of

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Baker) wrote on 13.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Alexander Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Both qmail (which proved insecure ) and Exim are not > > capable of UUCP or even bang paths! So a lot of those guys in countries > >

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread SirDibos
I second the motion. Smail has been nothing but a headache for me. I was *so* releived to get fetchpop working, so that I could bypass the need to pass my mail thru port 25 on my own machine for delivery. pine + fetchpop + procmail serves all my email needs. (Im not up 24/7, so its ok ;)) spe

Re: Official CDs

1997-06-14 Thread Bruce Perens
The images moved to ftp://ftp.debian.org/OfficialCD . By leaving them in /debian as I did yesterday, I messed up a number of mirror sites and made life hard for system admins all over the globe. No, one big file aside the chunks would use up to 1.3GB extra for two CDs! Please use "mget" in FTP and

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Douglas L Stewart
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Guenter Geiger wrote: > I am rather new to this list, so excuse me if this question has > already been dealt with. > > > Will there be kernel level thread support for Debian ? > > The Linuxthreads package from Xavier Leroy is a very good Thread > Library supporting Posix t

Re: mgetty-voice

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Sorry about the runaway mail headers in my previous article re-post. Emacs was hiding them from me. -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

mgetty-voice

1997-06-14 Thread Camm Maguire
Greetings! I've been reading here recently about the mgetty package looking for a new maintainer. What's the status on this? I'd like to suggest to the new maintainer to rebundle the vgetty extension, as the program is quite usable, IMHO, in spite of its being labeled as unstable by the author.

Re: Official CDs

1997-06-14 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
I saw the images were briefly available on the ftp site today but now they're gone again. What happened? When will they be back? Also, may we have one big file alongside all the 10MB chunks? For people with access to fast connections, this will be a little easier. Another useful thing might

Re: inetd question

1997-06-14 Thread Peter Tobias
On Jun 12, Michael Meskes wrote: > I get quite a lot of these messages: > > inetd[153]: ident/tcp server failing (looping), service terminated > > How can I tell which service is the one that's asked for too often? Have you tried the -l (and maybe the -d) option of the identd? BTW: Never ever u

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Philip Hands
> Let me remind you of one thing... > > Both qmail (which proved insecure ) To what are you referring ? > and Exim are not capable > of UUCP or even bang paths! Qmail is most definitely capable of UUCP (I use it here), and AFAIK bang paths can be done with rmail. > So a lot of those guys in c

Re: How do we encourage bug reports?

1997-06-14 Thread Milan Zamazal
One problem with reporting bugs I feel personally is what to do to avoid repeating reports. I use the following algorithm, when I discover a bug: 1. I go through the list of pending bugs posted to bug list periodically, and check whether it could be reported. 2. I'm searching through my mail ar

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread SirDibos
On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, SirDibos wrote: > > Also we might think about replacing lilo with chos as the standard boot > > loader from harddisk. lilo always is a difficulty for newbies, chos > > offers: > > Sounds good to me. I am an advocate of many solutions I hate to see > any software get dro

standard command to play au files ?

1997-06-14 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
is ther a good way to play au files ? IIRC nas has a command, and the other poossibility is to cat FILE > /dev/audio. nas has a /usr/bin/auplay or so. is there an other package, that has the same command and uses it with /dev/audio directly ? i don't want to care if nas is installed or the user i

Re: Anyone using transparent proxying?

1997-06-14 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Michael Meskes wrote: > The title almost says it all. I just upgraded to pre-patch-2.0.31-2, but it > seems transparent proxying still doesn't work. My first rule says: > > acc/r tcp anywhere anywhere any -> www => tproxy > > but still tproxy does

Re: Simple policy question...

1997-06-14 Thread Buddha Buck
> Okay, so say some random person who has installed Debian wants XEmacs 19.15 > because he needs some feature. This seems like a reasonable request... He > could get it from the Hamm distribution, except that would mean he'd need > libc6...and he doesn't want to do that, because he's heard that i

Re: Perl Police (was Re: Bug#10405: package naming)

1997-06-14 Thread Christian Schwarz
[I CC: this to the mailing list since I think this is of public intrest. Hope you don't mind] On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Brian S. Julin wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > What is your problem exactly? We could easily change our standard to > > "cpan-xxx.deb", for example. > >

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Helmut Geyer
Christoph Lameter: > > Also we might think about replacing lilo with chos as the standard boot > loader from harddisk. lilo always is a difficulty for newbies, chos > offers: > > - Menudriven Boot Loader (Cryptic Prompt only on demand) > - Highly Customizable Color Menus. > - Simple configuration

PING of Maintainer Address

1997-06-14 Thread Richard Kettlewell
I've had these messages before, and followed the instructions for stating that I no longer maintain the packages in question. But they still keep appearing. Can somebody *please* sort this out, and tell me that they have done so? (Both packages are, AFAIK, utterly obsolete and should not exist a

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sourcecode is available for chos and it has been GPLed by the author after > several people talked with him (among them me on behalf of Debian). Hooray! Is the GPL-ed version and its source in a Debian package yet? Thanks Bruce -- B

Unresolved symbols with ibmtr_cs PCMCIA module

1997-06-14 Thread Stephen Zander
Further in my attempts to setup up a Thinkpad 760CD... When attempting to load the ibmtr_cs.o mdules under the standard 2.0.30 kernel, I get the folliowing unresolved symbols. netif_rx_R9117ffb8 dev_alloc_skb_R24e337ab dev_kfree_skb_R7a61ae71 dev_tint_Rcc72f6b2 unregister_netdev_Re5a9d51a regist

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Joey Hess
SirDibos: > Whoa, hold on. Apparently, source code isnt available for chos. So, I > take my words back. By all means, lets keep it in the distribution, but > by no means let it be the "primary" boot loader. Actually, they're still both in there, and I still maintain wordplay, though I don't eve

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Guenter Geiger
Philippe Troin writes: > They're probably in libpthread0-dev ! Sorry, I'm feeling rather guilty .. > > > - libraries should be compiled reentrant > > Most of them are. I'm not sure about the X libraries. > Does anybody know about the X libraries ? The linuxthreads-0.6 provide a patch

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Lameter) wrote on 12.06.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should > be the standard mailer for hamm: > > - Exim is based on the same concepts as smail. > - It is developed with newer concepts in mind > - Exi

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Mark Baker wrote: : :In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, : Alexander Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : :> Both qmail (which proved insecure ) and Exim are not capable :> of UUCP or even bang paths! So a lot of those guys in countries where phone :> costs are terrible (like

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Philippe Troin
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 11:11:18 GMT Guenter Geiger ([EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote: > Will there be kernel level thread support for Debian ? Yes ! > The Linuxthreads package from Xavier Leroy is a very good Thread > Library supporting Posix threads. In order to develop threaded > applications there sho

Re: PING of Maintainer Address

1997-06-14 Thread Richard Kettlewell
>Just to be clear... Are they obsolete (i.e. should be removed) or >are they orphaned (i.e. no longer supported)? repair was a bug-reporting script I wrote a long time ago, it never really achieve all the functionality intended and is probably out of date with respect to the modern bug system. I

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alexander Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Both qmail (which proved insecure ) and Exim are not capable > of UUCP or even bang paths! So a lot of those guys in countries where phone > costs are terrible (like in Germany) still use it and they WILL have a

Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Christoph Lameter
It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should be the standard mailer for hamm: - Exim is based on the same concepts as smail. - It is developed with newer concepts in mind - Exim is scalable from running from inetd to delivering hundredths of thousands of messages a

Re: inetd question

1997-06-14 Thread Michael Meskes
You're right of course. I should have been more precise. There are two other services involved: squid as a standalone server and http-gw on the firewall and both call ident for each www request. That makes up for quite some traffic given that one www site is build by a lot of www requests. Thanks

Koules now only for X?????

1997-06-14 Thread SirDibos
How and why when and Where? Why is Koules only available for X??? I *loved* the variety of console games that came with Debian. Now one by one they are being X'ised from the distribution =( Koules, Maelstrom, Abuse I can understand Abuse (altho that should be available for the console again

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Erik B. Andersen
> > Also we might think about replacing lilo with chos as the standard boot > loader from harddisk. lilo always is a difficulty for newbies, chos > offers: > > - Menudriven Boot Loader (Cryptic Prompt only on demand) > - Highly Customizable Color Menus. > - Simple configuration in passwd style fi

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Henningsen) writes: > I seem to remember reading somewhere in the exim docs that some simple > bang addresses are understood by exim. Not sure about that. You can cope with host!user by using a rewrite rule, not anything much more

Re: Simple policy question...

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Yukhimets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The most solid ground not to switch to libc6 is not instability from the > user's point of view (may be libc6 is not that bad), but from the point of > view of developer who's using different kind of commercial d

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Andy Mortimer
On Jun 13, Bruce Perens wrote > Regarding how to make your library re-entrant, you must have no global or > static variables that are not protected by mutexes. In general it is easy > to deal with this by passing your state structure as a pointer argument to > all of your functions rather than by u

Installing XF86 3.3-1 crashed XEmacs 19.15-3

1997-06-14 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Hi everybody, last night i dftp-ized part of the 1.3 distribution to upgrade my mixed 1.2/hamm linux box. All went well and this morning i finished the upgrade in a few minutes by installing the packages by hand (Debian IS the *better* linux distribution! :) Then, to get better s

RFC: libc6 policy supplement 2nd try

1997-06-14 Thread Helmut Geyer
Here is a reworked proposal: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SNIP -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Debian library policy supplement draft for libc5->libc6 migration This document is meant to tell what a Debian package providing a library should do to support both libc6 (glibc2) and libc5. Note

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Heiko Schlittermann
On Jun 12, Christoph Lameter wrote : It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should : be the standard mailer for hamm: ... hmmm, ``never change a running system'', and smail _is_ running. And I you're able to read some docs, it's possible to setup this think quite easy.

Mea Culpa -- didn't announce intentions.

1997-06-14 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Eep. I just got a little excited there, and released my two Debian packages already, without reading all of the policies first. igor has told me that I'm supposed to announce my intentions before packageing. Whoops. Erm, well, does anybody mind if I package sirc and ching? sirc is a Perl-based

locale errors

1997-06-14 Thread Yann Dirson
Erv Walter writes: > The locale errors are getting extremely annoying. What is the most > correct way to solve the problems. unsetting LANG solves the problem, > but I can't find where it is getting set in the first place. That's > not the most elegant solution anyway. [...] > Note: There

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Not that anyone necessarily has the time, but would it be worthwhile to > create some documents listing categories of packages, comparing and > contrasting the competing packages? Right. I'm about to help someone set up a relatively busy mailserver,

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Guenter Geiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - libraries should be compiled reentrant This has been on the list of things to do (for bo and now for hamm) for a while. It'll propagate eventually. Note that just compiling with -D_REENTRANT doesn't mean that the library is suddenly multi-thread s

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Douglas L Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It's just a matter of making sure all of the other libraries get thread > safe, which will get partially done I'm sure. The ones that aren't, you > can work around it by just using them in a single thread usually. or often by just using a mutex to

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > debian's Xfree86 3.2 packages were not built reentrant. I'm working > on the 3.3 libraries now, and once they're stable and working, I'll > be adding other support to them. (have you ever tried programming > with X and threads? you probably want to onl

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Heiko Schlittermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >: It might be good if we would replace smail in hamm with exim. Exim should >: be the standard mailer for hamm: > > ... hmmm, ``never change a running system'', and smail _is_ running. No-one's suggesting

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Guenter Geiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Yes, I've tried - that's how I came to this topic. > The problem is with the global errno variable. As Xlib does a lot of > error checking using errno. After X encounters an error it checks what > kind of error ocurred with errno and deals with it. > I

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Andy Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Although how well this interacts with dynamically-loaded shared libraries > is anyone's guess; What do you mean? > I suspect I may have to go the global-variable route myself, which > is why I was asking for examples/docs. Bruce is right that in gener

Re: RFC: libc6 policy supplement 2nd try

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Helmut Geyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > - compile the library using -D_RENTRANT or -D_THREAD_SAFE There was some talk about adding -D_REENTRANT to the list of flags that are automatically included by gcc/g++. I don't recall what the resulting decision was, if there was one. > - there

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Andy Mortimer
On Jun 14, Rob Browning wrote > > Andy Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Although how well this interacts with dynamically-loaded shared libraries > > is anyone's guess; > > What do you mean? I'm using libdl, to allow me to dynamically add and remove modules as I go. But I don't really

Re: thread support

1997-06-14 Thread Rob Browning
Andy Mortimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > the basic question I want to answer is: if I open a library in one > thread, is it then always accessible to all threads (presumably), > and what happens to any global variables in that library? Threading shoudln't have any affect on this. All the thre

Debian 1.3.1?

1997-06-14 Thread Stoopid!!
I wanted to get your Official 2 CD set, so I was checking out the prices at www.cheapbytes.com, but I didn't see it. They told me that they're waiting for 1.3.1 because there's something wrong with 1.3. Is that true? If so, when will 1.3.1 be out, and how much does 1.3 cost? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: libc6 policy in unstable

1997-06-14 Thread joost witteveen
> > Yes, they should be. When do we remove all the non-libc6 packages, though? > > I'm not entirely certain I see why we need to remove libc5 packages from > the system for Debian 2.0. While I agree that the primary packages should > really be glibc, I don't see how a few lib5 packages are going

Re: RFC: libc6 policy supplement 2nd try

1997-06-14 Thread joost witteveen
> packages as follows [1]. Some packages (mostly from base) may use > locations in /lib. > >based on | package name | library location > > libc6 | libfoo | /usr/lib/libfoo.so. > libc5 | libfoo-g |

Re: How do we encourage bug reports?

1997-06-14 Thread Goswin Brederlow
Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > Milan Zamazal: > > > One problem with reporting bugs I feel personally is what to do to > > avoid repeating reports. > > I think it is not the job of the person reporting a bug to worry about > duplicate reports. Especially not if the person is an end-user and not > a D

Re: libc6 policy in unstable

1997-06-14 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> > I'm not entirely certain I see why we need to remove libc5 packages from > > the system for Debian 2.0. While I agree that the primary packages should > > really be glibc, I don't see how a few lib5 packages are going to hurt the > > distribution > > Well, they won't hurt much, but they would

Re: libc6 policy in unstable

1997-06-14 Thread joost witteveen
> > > I'm not entirely certain I see why we need to remove libc5 packages from > > > the system for Debian 2.0. While I agree that the primary packages should > > > really be glibc, I don't see how a few lib5 packages are going to hurt the > > > distribution > > > > Well, they won't hurt much, bu

Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Rob Browning, you wrote: > > Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Not that anyone necessarily has the time, but would it be worthwhile to > > create some documents listing categories of packages, comparing and > > contrasting the competing packages? > > Right.

Re: libc6 policy in unstable

1997-06-14 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> Of cource, there isn't such a list now (as far as I know, at least I > guess that list would be empty now). > > > Anyways, Debian just can't compete with commercial distributions which can > > allow to suppose that they are self-contained. Debian is NOT. Unlike > > RedHat (which has, for instanc

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