Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-12-01 Thread Roger Leigh
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 10:17:22PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: >> The main problem (as I see it) is that the current update-inetd is too >> complex, and can't migrate configurations between different inetd >> config file formats. > > Why should that be th

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-12-01 Thread Roger Leigh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Nov 29, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> - create a /etc/inetd.d directory > Wrong approach. Write an update-inetd replacement which can maintain its > own database and can compare it to an existing configuration to know if > the local admin

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 29, Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - create a /etc/inetd.d directory Wrong approach. Write an update-inetd replacement which can maintain its own database and can compare it to an existing configuration to know if the local admin changed something. > IIRC I did mention something

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-29 Thread Steve Greenland
On 28-Nov-07, 13:01 (CST), Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Greenland schrieb: > > On 28-Nov-07, 05:25 (CST), Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Pierre Habouzit schrieb: > >>> wrong. providing inet-superserver means that you are able to perform > >>> what any implemen

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-29 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 10:17:22PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > The main problem (as I see it) is that the current update-inetd is too > complex, and can't migrate configurations between different inetd > config file formats. Why should that be the job of the current update-inetd? > And every main

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-29 Thread Roger Leigh
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:34:47PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: >> [0] the reasoning is: this is clear to me that through update-inetd >> that is the debian way to enable inet-like services, something >> that claims to be an inet-superser

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-29 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Am Mi den 28. Nov 2007 um 22:05 schrieb Pierre Habouzit: > > There we have completely other understanding of. xinetd is a replacement > > (with its own configuration). Using the inetd.conf you have no benefit > > of using the plain old one. The co

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-29 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Thu, Nov 29, 2007 at 01:16:04AM +, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:34:47PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > [0] the reasoning is: this is clear to me that through update-inetd > > that is the debian way to enable inet-like services, something > > that claims

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 12:34:47PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > [0] the reasoning is: this is clear to me that through update-inetd > that is the debian way to enable inet-like services, something > that claims to be an inet-superserver must react on update-inetd > triggered

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 08:06:13PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Am Mi den 28. Nov 2007 um 11:51 schrieb Pierre Habouzit: > > > (May there are a debconf question?) > > No I won't use debconf here, because it's definitely the most viable > > way to use xinetd nowadays. Though the next upload will

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:06:13PM +, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Am Mi den 28. Nov 2007 um 11:51 schrieb Pierre Habouzit: > Pardon? debconf overkill? This is right the correct place for it as it > change the basic way the package work completely. Debconf can be used if there isn't a sane default

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:01:13PM +, Michael Biebl wrote: > Steve Greenland schrieb: > > On 28-Nov-07, 05:25 (CST), Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Pierre Habouzit schrieb: > >>> wrong. providing inet-superserver means that you are able to perform > >>> what any implementation

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Michael Biebl
Steve Greenland schrieb: > On 28-Nov-07, 05:25 (CST), Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Pierre Habouzit schrieb: >>> wrong. providing inet-superserver means that you are able to perform >>> what any implementation of inetd(8) does, namely, reading >>> /etc/inetd.conf, and _then_ possib

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Am Mi den 28. Nov 2007 um 11:51 schrieb Pierre Habouzit: > > (May there are a debconf question?) > > No I won't use debconf here, because it's definitely the most viable > way to use xinetd nowadays. Though the next upload will document that >

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Nov 28, Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:51:07AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > wrong. providing inet-superserver means that you are able to perform > > what any implementation of inetd(8) does, namely, reading > > /etc/inetd.conf, and _then_ possibly

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Steve Greenland
On 28-Nov-07, 05:25 (CST), Michael Biebl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pierre Habouzit schrieb: > > wrong. providing inet-superserver means that you are able to perform > > what any implementation of inetd(8) does, namely, reading > > /etc/inetd.conf, and _then_ possibly have extended features on

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Michael Biebl
Pierre Habouzit schrieb: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:15:05AM +, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > >>> Since xinetd conflicts with inet-superserver it's the sole one that >>> can honour /etc/inetd.conf. >> Well, not completely true. There might be more than one understanding. >> Mine is that providing a

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:08:27AM +, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:51:07AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > Well, not completely true. There might be more than one understanding. > > > Mine is that providing a inet-superserver provides the _functionality_ > > > of a ine

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 11:51:07AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Well, not completely true. There might be more than one understanding. > > Mine is that providing a inet-superserver provides the _functionality_ > > of a inet-superserver not the same _config file_. > wrong. providing inet-sup

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:15:05AM +, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Hi Pierre, > > Am Mi den 28. Nov 2007 um 9:45 schrieb Pierre Habouzit: > > > As long as this is default switched of this might be ok. > > > > No it's on by default, and easy to change in /etc/default/xinetd. > > So it is easy swi

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Pierre, Am Mi den 28. Nov 2007 um 9:45 schrieb Pierre Habouzit: > > As long as this is default switched of this might be ok. > > No it's on by default, and easy to change in /etc/default/xinetd. So it is easy switchable. (May there are a debco

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-28 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:42:43PM +, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Hello, > > Am Di den 27. Nov 2007 um 16:13 schrieb Pierre Habouzit: > > (1) xinetd reads and honours /etc/inetd.conf ; > > As long as this is default switched of this might be ok. No it's on by default, and easy to change in /et

Re: xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-27 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Am Di den 27. Nov 2007 um 16:13 schrieb Pierre Habouzit: > (1) xinetd reads and honours /etc/inetd.conf ; As long as this is default switched of this might be ok. > (2) if a service is configured through /etc/xinetd.d/ own > configu

xinetd is a viable inet-superserver

2007-11-27 Thread Pierre Habouzit
I recently took over xinetd maintenance. Now that we have many *-inetd's the previous behaviour of xinetd diverting netkit-inetd's conffiles (that was already quite disputable) felt really wrong, so I've enforced the default use of the -inetd_compat for xinetd. This way: (1) xinetd reads and