Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> So there's something contradictory. If the pipewire service alone
> doesn't take control of audio over pulseaudio, then the only culprit
> would be pipewire-media-session. Or what? A bug in pipewire, which
> would actually take control of audio even without pipewire-pulse?
On 2022-05-31 14:55:44 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:43:06AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > Indeed, this is what happened with pipewire 0.3.39-1, as I can see
> > in my dpkg logs and the changelog:
> >
> > * Change priority order between pipewire-media-session
On 2022-05-31 11:43:06 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Anyway, when I upgraded the vlc package two weeks ago, this had the
> effect that PulseAudio was no longer used as the sound server (for
> both vlc and ogg123), though pipewire was already installed (due to
> a Recommends from libpipewire-0.3-0
On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 11:43:06AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > > > a) pipewire package enables pipewire service by default
> > > >
> > > > Indeed, but pipewire service doesn't take control of audio over
> > > > pulseaudio. Only pipewire-pulse does that.
> > >
> > > This is incorrect. The
On 2022-05-31 14:04:18 +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 10:55:55AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > > a) pipewire package enables pipewire service by default
> > >
> > > Indeed, but pipewire service doesn't take control of audio over
> > > pulseaudio. Only pipewire-pu
On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 10:55:55AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > a) pipewire package enables pipewire service by default
> >
> > Indeed, but pipewire service doesn't take control of audio over
> > pulseaudio. Only pipewire-pulse does that.
>
> This is incorrect. The pipewire-pulse package
On 2022-05-30 14:30:38 +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote:
> Le lun. 30 mai 2022 à 12:55, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> > a) pipewire package enables pipewire service by default
>
> Indeed, but pipewire service doesn't take control of audio over
> pulseaudio. Only pipewire-pulse does that.
This is incorre
* Dylan Aïssi [220530 08:31]:
> Le lun. 30 mai 2022 à 12:55, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> >
> > a) pipewire package enables pipewire service by default
>
> Indeed, but pipewire service doesn't take control of audio over
> pulseaudio. Only pipewire-pulse does that.
> So, if you don't want to use
On Mon, 2022-05-30 at 14:30 +0200, Dylan Aïssi wrote:
> libpipewire recommends pipewire for a reason [1], do you mean this is
> not a good reason?
>
> [1] https://salsa.debian.org/utopia-team/pipewire/-/merge_requests/1
In the patch Philip Withnall wrote:
> libpipewire dlopens modules from pipe
Quoting Dylan Aïssi (2022-05-30 14:30:38)
> Le lun. 30 mai 2022 à 12:55, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> >
> > a) pipewire package enables pipewire service by default
>
> Indeed, but pipewire service doesn't take control of audio over
> pulseaudio. Only pipewire-pulse does that.
> So, if you don't
Le lun. 30 mai 2022 à 12:55, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
>
> a) pipewire package enables pipewire service by default
Indeed, but pipewire service doesn't take control of audio over
pulseaudio. Only pipewire-pulse does that.
So, if you don't want to use pipewire for audio, then don't install
pipew
Quoting Sebastian Ramacher (2022-05-30 12:08:44)
> On 2022-05-30 10:43:58 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2022-05-28 10:41:34 +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> > > On 2022-05-28 01:27:13 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > > On 2022-05-27 12:34:26 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > [...]
> > >
On 2022-05-30 10:43:58 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2022-05-28 10:41:34 +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> > On 2022-05-28 01:27:13 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > On 2022-05-27 12:34:26 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> [...]
> > > > That's needed for Bluetooth audio, *if* you are using Pip
On 2022-05-28 10:41:34 +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> On 2022-05-28 01:27:13 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2022-05-27 12:34:26 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
[...]
> > > That's needed for Bluetooth audio, *if* you are using Pipewire for audio,
> > > which (as a distribution) we are not yet
On 2022-05-28 01:27:13 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2022-05-27 12:34:26 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > If vlc-plugin-pipewire is prioritized higher than other audio backends,
> > then I can see how that could happen. It's probably premature for
> > vlc-plugin-pipewire to be prioritized high
On 2022-05-27 12:34:26 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> If vlc-plugin-pipewire is prioritized higher than other audio backends,
> then I can see how that could happen. It's probably premature for
> vlc-plugin-pipewire to be prioritized higher than PulseAudio or ALSA in
> Debian.
>
> The dependency g
On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 02:18:10AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > In this case you need the portal in order to have access to the
> > font settings:
> IMHO, such explanations could be useful to users, who may wonder why
> xdg-desktop-portal-gtk is recommended or why some features are not
> avail
On Fri, 27 May 2022 at 01:35:51 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> with the installation of
> vlc-plugin-pipewire, VLC was automatically using pipewire
If vlc-plugin-pipewire is prioritized higher than other audio backends,
then I can see how that could happen. It's probably premature for
vlc-plugin-
On 2022-05-26 23:55:02 +, Alberto Garcia wrote:
> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 01:03:57AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > It was actually due to a problem in Evolution that we made WebKitGTK
> > > depend on xdg-desktop-portal (later downgraded to a recommendation):
> > >
> > > https://bugzilla
On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 01:03:57AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > It was actually due to a problem in Evolution that we made WebKitGTK
> > depend on xdg-desktop-portal (later downgraded to a recommendation):
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1845743
> > https://bugs.webkit.or
On 2022-05-26 20:08:22 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2022 at 17:21:27 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > Here, this could be
> >
> > Recommends: pipewire | pulseaudio
>
> Those are not interchangeable.
>
> pipewire started as a multiplexer for video streams, and only later
> gai
Quoting Alberto Garcia (2022-05-27 00:12:14)
> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:09:32PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > > It looks like that's happening because atril depends on
> > > WebKitGTK, a relatively complete web browser engine, which uses
> > > xdg-desktop-portal to invoke per-user services a
On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:09:32PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > It looks like that's happening because atril depends on
> > WebKitGTK, a relatively complete web browser engine, which uses
> > xdg-desktop-portal to invoke per-user services across a sandbox
> > boundary (so that it can provide
Quoting Simon McVittie (2022-05-26 21:08:22)
> On Thu, 26 May 2022 at 17:21:27 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > Indeed, for a remote VM, it is silly to recommend a sound server,
> > just because a library appears in the chain of dependencies:
> >
> > joooj:~> apt-get install -s atril | grep '^Ins
Le jeu. 26 mai 2022 à 21:08, Simon McVittie a écrit :
> On Thu, 26 May 2022 at 17:21:27 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > Here, this could be
> >
> > Recommends: pipewire | pulseaudio
>
> Those are not interchangeable.
>
> pipewire started as a multiplexer for video streams, and only later
> ga
On Thu, 26 May 2022 at 17:21:27 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Here, this could be
>
> Recommends: pipewire | pulseaudio
Those are not interchangeable.
pipewire started as a multiplexer for video streams, and only later
gained audio capabilities. The reason most people with pipewire will
have
Quoting Sebastian Ramacher (2022-05-16 00:56:03)
> On 2022-05-16 00:40:25 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > The vlc package now uses a Recommends (vlc-plugin-pipewire) to force
> > users to use pipewire instead of pulseaudio (which broke the use of
> > VLC, but also apparently ogg123 with the alsa
On 2022-05-17 08:54:59 -0400, Marvin Renich wrote:
> There is, unfortunately, a catch here. In order for any of the
> applications that require a sound server to work, one of them must be
> installed. For example, mpd links with libasound, libpipewire, and
> libpulse. If each of these libs simpl
* Marvin Renich [220517 08:55]:
> I do not fully understand the relationships between the different sound
> servers, for example I think pulseaudio can use ALSA as one of its
> backends, but do I think that they all need to be co-installable without
I do
> interfering with the
* Vincent Lefevre [220517 06:36]:
> On 2022-05-16 16:14:02 +, Bill Allombert wrote:
> > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 12:56:03AM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> > > And for the record: you get pipewire installed because libpipewire-0.3-0
> > > recommends it.
> >
> > For a similar situation, I ad
On 2022-05-16 16:14:02 +, Bill Allombert wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 12:56:03AM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> > And for the record: you get pipewire installed because libpipewire-0.3-0
> > recommends it.
>
> For a similar situation, I advocated to add a apt option so that apt
> only
On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 12:56:03AM +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> On 2022-05-16 00:40:25 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > The vlc package now uses a Recommends (vlc-plugin-pipewire) to force
> > users to use pipewire instead of pulseaudio (which broke the use of
> > VLC, but also apparently og
On 2022-05-16 00:56:03 +0200, Sebastian Ramacher wrote:
> On 2022-05-16 00:40:25 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > The vlc package now uses a Recommends (vlc-plugin-pipewire) to force
> > users to use pipewire instead of pulseaudio (which broke the use of
> > VLC, but also apparently ogg123 with th
On 2022-05-16 00:40:25 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> The vlc package now uses a Recommends (vlc-plugin-pipewire) to force
> users to use pipewire instead of pulseaudio (which broke the use of
> VLC, but also apparently ogg123 with the alsa device). IMHO, this is
> a bad use of Recommends. It is n
The vlc package now uses a Recommends (vlc-plugin-pipewire) to force
users to use pipewire instead of pulseaudio (which broke the use of
VLC, but also apparently ogg123 with the alsa device). IMHO, this is
a bad use of Recommends. It is not up to applications to choose what
sound server to use, eve
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