Re: service failures should not fail dpkg installation

2015-09-28 Thread Thorsten Glaser
On Sat, 26 Sep 2015, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > How does failing the upgrade solve anything? The upgrade should only > > fail if the failure of the service to start was because something in the > > upgrade itself was broken; this is rarely the case. > > I think it solves the problem of notifying

Re: service failures should not fail dpkg installation [was: Re: promoting virtualbox-dkms to virtualbox pre-depends]

2015-09-26 Thread Jeroen Dekkers
At Thu, 24 Sep 2015 08:11:48 -0400, Marvin Renich wrote: > > * Jeroen Dekkers [150924 07:23]: > > At Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:53:11 -0400, > > Marvin Renich wrote: > > > I think it should be documented in the developers reference that if you > > > attempt to start or restart a service in postinst, you

Re: service failures should not fail dpkg installation

2015-09-26 Thread Eduard Bloch
Hallo, * Marvin Renich [Fri, Sep 25 2015, 08:26:34AM]: > > > Still, that would need some proper design work, and a reasonable amount of > > > code to be written and tested. Some of it will hook into the package > > > system, some of it needs to interface to the services subsystem (systemd, > > >

Re: service failures should not fail dpkg installation

2015-09-25 Thread Marvin Renich
* Paul Gevers [150924 14:12]: > Hi > > On 24-09-15 18:21, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Marvin Renich wrote: > > What we really want is a "do not fail upgrade, BUT report that some services > > *that were previously running* failed to restart after the upgrade run".

Re: service failures should not fail dpkg installation [was: Re: promoting virtualbox-dkms to virtualbox pre-depends]

2015-09-24 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi On 24-09-15 18:21, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Marvin Renich wrote: > What we really want is a "do not fail upgrade, BUT report that some services > *that were previously running* failed to restart after the upgrade run". > > ESPECIALLY if you are going to take "u

Re: service failures should not fail dpkg installation [was: Re: promoting virtualbox-dkms to virtualbox pre-depends]

2015-09-24 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015, Marvin Renich wrote: > How does failing the upgrade solve anything? The upgrade should only > fail if the failure of the service to start was because something in the > upgrade itself was broken; this is rarely the case. ... > What makes this even worse is that when installi

service failures should not fail dpkg installation [was: Re: promoting virtualbox-dkms to virtualbox pre-depends]

2015-09-24 Thread Marvin Renich
* Jeroen Dekkers [150924 07:23]: > At Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:53:11 -0400, > Marvin Renich wrote: > > I think it should be documented in the developers reference that if you > > attempt to start or restart a service in postinst, you should guard it > > so that a failure in the service does not propaga