Am 10.06.2013 11:10, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> What is new is that PackageKit asks for a system update *systematically*
> when it finds the system is not up-to-date. I don’t know why, but it
> seems to have started with the wheezy release, it did not happen during
> the freeze.
When I first got
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:22:32AM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> [...]
> I've also seen another laptop that is on the fringe of a wifi coverage
> zone getting into a bad state where multiple copies of the wifi password
> window appear - if the laptop is unattended for a few hours, you can
> come ba
On 11/06/13 01:11, Michael Banck wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:24:39PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> Every copy of jessie could be distributed with one of the red hoods
>> referred to in this article:
>>
>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistle
On 11/06/13 00:37, Jens Roder wrote:
> Hello,
>
> just like to add that today this "feature" with the popup blocked my gnome
> within the suspend procedure, which I did not see but got a hot running
> laptop in the bag. When I opened the laptop again I saw the problem and when
> clicking on canc
Am 10.06.2013 11:10, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> I consider it a bug, and one that we should aim to fix in the first
> wheezy point release.
nod. that said, the first point release is basically done, so this will
have to wait for 7.2
--
Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent
Hi Daniel,
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 09:24:39PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Every copy of jessie could be distributed with one of the red hoods
> referred to in this article:
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance
>
> I presume it has some k
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 08:04:27AM +0800, Chow Loong Jin wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 01:06:40PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> > [...]
> > In my gross stupidity this seems like a nonissue. How does a popup
> > asking for your root p/w differ from using the CLI, typing "su" and
> > being asked
Hello,
just like to add that today this "feature" with the popup blocked my gnome
within the suspend procedure, which I did not see but got a hot running laptop
in the bag. When I opened the laptop again I saw the problem and when clicking
on cancel, the laptop finally when to suspend.
I thin
On 10/06/13 16:51, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 10/06/13 15:36, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
>> Simon McVittie writes:
>>> * ability to use system-modal prompting or a secure input path
>>> (partially done by PK under GNOME Shell, likely to get better
>>> under Wayland, not supporte
On 10/06/13 15:36, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Simon McVittie writes:
>> * ability to use system-modal prompting or a secure input path
>> (partially done by PK under GNOME Shell, likely to get better
>> under Wayland, not supported by sudo or su)
>
> Not relevant to the current
Simon McVittie writes:
> * ability to use system-modal prompting or a secure input path
> (partially done by PK under GNOME Shell, likely to get better
> under Wayland, not supported by sudo or su)
Not relevant to the current discussion but this got me curious: can the
input path
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: security policy / root passwords"):
> * splitting privileged actions into an unprivileged GUI and a
> privileged daemon, rather than running the GUI with privileges
> (supported and encouraged by PK, not well-supported by sudo or
On 10/06/13 13:54, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> That screenshot appears to be Gnome 3. I log in with Gnome Classic so
> maybe I'm experiencing something different.
I did say "GNOME Shell". The "fallback" GNOME 3.4 session (which might
well be called "Classic" in the UI in wheezy) doesn't use Shell, so
Daniel Pocock wrote:
> It was also demonstrated with Windows 7 that users could be tricked by
> web sites that simply dimmed the background of the browser window - so
> it is not a perfect solution and I would personally prefer to see users
> referred to initiate "su" or "sudo" on their own.
Initi
On 10/06/13 14:12, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On 10/06/13 12:34, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> a) a web site displaying a "PolicyKit" popup that resembles the wording
>> of the Debian popup
> GNOME Shell does mitigate this by using a distinctive UI for
> "system-modal dialogs", which makes use of the fact t
On 10/06/13 12:34, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> a) a web site displaying a "PolicyKit" popup that resembles the wording
> of the Debian popup
GNOME Shell does mitigate this by using a distinctive UI for
"system-modal dialogs", which makes use of the fact that the Shell is
the window compositor in order
On 10/06/13 10:21, Alexey Serikov wrote:
> A few points:
>
> 1) if your user is part of sudo group, most of the time gnome will ask
> for your user's password instead of root's.
> 2) Debian is a finite set of software. It provides packages (literally
> thousands of them) that are stable, safe and m
Hi,
Le dimanche 09 juin 2013 à 18:45 +0200, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking for
> the root password
>
> I opened a bug for discussion about the issue, but it was closed by
> another DD (not the maintainer) - [1]. Other users have co
A few points:
1) if your user is part of sudo group, most of the time gnome will ask for
your user's password instead of root's.
2) Debian is a finite set of software. It provides packages (literally
thousands of them) that are stable, safe and malicious pop-ups free. It
also provides packages ena
Michael Banck writes:
>> I think the best approach would be sudo and requesting the user for
>> their own password - and probably be more informative about why the
>> password is needed or what is being installed.
>
> By the way, this seems to be the case for my wheezy installation,
> however, I a
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:20:16PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> > Is there any policy within Debian about such matters, particularly for
> > packages that are a default part of the distribution? Is it too late to
> > remove this popup from wheezy?
>
> I think the best approach would be sudo and
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:41:34PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> My feeling is that the user should be told "go and run sudo or su in a
> terminal window you opened manually"
>
> Otherwise, they can't be sure they are putting their password in a
> genuine Debian popup.
Please explain your threat
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 01:06:40PM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> [...]
> In my gross stupidity this seems like a nonissue. How does a popup
> asking for your root p/w differ from using the CLI, typing "su" and
> being asked for the root p/w? I'm assuming that the popup was in
> connection with a
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 07:20:16PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking
> > for the root password
>
> I am not sure what you are complaining about - that you need to spe
Daniel Pocock writes:
> My feeling is that the user should be told "go and run sudo or su in a
> terminal window you opened manually"
I don't think terminal emulation is really a good solution here but your
idea does have some merits. Maybe you can make your own policykit agent
that asks for the
On 09/06/13 19:20, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking
>> for the root password
>
> I am not sure what you are complaining about - that you need to specify
> the root password
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 06:45:18PM +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking
> for the root password
I am not sure what you are complaining about - that you need to specify
the root password to install packages, or that gnome requests additi
Hi,
There have been multiple complaints about the new Gnome popup asking for
the root password
I opened a bug for discussion about the issue, but it was closed by
another DD (not the maintainer) - [1]. Other users have come across the
bug too and requested attention for it with the same conce
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