Re: Problems in the buildd network (was: Re: s390 not currently projected releasable)

2005-03-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
David Schmitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Additionally, this hints at hidden problems of this architecture which - in > the worst case - might lead to Debians sudden inability to support a > really-stable release on this architecture. Regardless of the outcome of the > post-Vancouver fallout,

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-16 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Stephen Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, that's not *necessairly* true. If the buildd maintainer is also > part of DSA/ftpmasters (as seems to often be the case, and might even be > required by some unwritten law) then it'd be possible for them to > disable the account doing the uploadin

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-16 Thread Stephen Frost
* Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Blars Blarson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Another architecure that isn't keeping up to the 98% mark has a buildd > > mainainter who insists (to the point of threating) that I don't build > > and upload packages to help the build with its backlo

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-16 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Henning Makholm | Scripsit Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > Henning Makholm wrote: | | >> If a DD has a machine with cpu cycles to spend on an architecture | >> that's lagging behind, what's to stop them from just beginning to | >> build packages and upload them? | | > It needs e.g. to t

Problems in the buildd network (was: Re: s390 not currently projected releasable)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Wednesday 16 March 2005 06:20, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Blars Blarson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Another architecure that isn't keeping up to the 98% mark has a buildd > > mainainter who insists (to the point of threating) that I don't build > > and upload packages to help the build wit

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Blars Blarson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Another architecure that isn't keeping up to the 98% mark has a buildd > mainainter who insists (to the point of threating) that I don't build > and upload packages to help the build with its backlog and lack of > requeueing. So? A buildd maintainer do

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-15 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Why don't you start building packages yourselves? You do have access >to the hardware, right? It's supposed to be blindingly fast, right? Another architecure that isn't keeping up to the 98% mark

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:18:11AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > It is possible, either you setup you own w-b or do it by hand, the later > > > is a time consuming process. And you will generate a l

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Thiemo Seufer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Henning Makholm wrote: >> If a DD has a machine with cpu cycles to spend on an architecture >> that's lagging behind, what's to stop them from just beginning to >> build packages and upload them? > It needs e.g. to take P-a-s into account, for example.

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:27:34PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: >> How can something really be "blocked by the w-b admins"? The buildds >> build .debs from publicly available source packages, don't they? They >> upload to the upload queues that are av

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-15 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:18:11AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It is possible, either you setup you own w-b or do it by hand, the later > > is a time consuming process. And you will generate a lot of noise with > > rejected packages. > Yes, it's

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:17:23AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > Yes, it was a broken autobuilder, the only autobuilder, the others are > > > blocked by the w-b admins. > > Why don't you start building packages yourselves? You do have access >

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-15 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 11:17:23AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Yes, it was a broken autobuilder, the only autobuilder, the others are > > blocked by the w-b admins. > Why don't you start building packages yourselves? You do have access > to the hardware, right? It's supposed to be blind

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It is possible, either you setup you own w-b or do it by hand, the later > is a time consuming process. And you will generate a lot of noise with > rejected packages. Yes, it's better to do nothing than to do only part of the job. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 04:12:51PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > > Looking at the stats[1], the amount of compiled packages seems to be a > > blocker: 250-300 need-build packages. At approximatly 9000 source packages, > > around 8820 must be built to s

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-15 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 06:27:34PM +, Henning Makholm wrote: > How can something really be "blocked by the w-b admins"? The buildds > build .debs from publicly available source packages, don't they? They > upload to the upload queues that are avaiable to every DD, don't they? They often build

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-15 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Henning Makholm wrote: > Scripsit Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Yes, it was a broken autobuilder, the only autobuilder, the others are > > blocked by the w-b admins. > > How can something really be "blocked by the w-b admins"? The buildds > build .debs from publicly available source pac

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable

2005-03-15 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Bastian Blank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yes, it was a broken autobuilder, the only autobuilder, the others are > blocked by the w-b admins. How can something really be "blocked by the w-b admins"? The buildds build .debs from publicly available source packages, don't they? They upload to th

Re: s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-15 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 04:12:51PM +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > Looking at the stats[1], the amount of compiled packages seems to be a > blocker: 250-300 need-build packages. At approximatly 9000 source packages, > around 8820 must be built to satisfy the 98% barrier. Looking at longer > timefr

s390 not currently projected releasable (was: Re: Dropping from mirror network vs dropping from tier-1)

2005-03-15 Thread David Schmitt
On Tuesday 15 March 2005 12:08, Frank Küster wrote: > >(exactly because of arches like s390 who > > should be able to reach tier-1 easily, but really have no reason to be on > > the mirror network). > > But it does *not* say that s390 is likely to be among the released > architectures. And I do no