Re: Upcoming d-i release vs. hard freeze

2025-05-16 Thread Cyril Brulebois
ges were either too young (so they were too late regarding the hard freeze anyway) or almost ready (so they insta-migrated as soon as I lifted the “udeb freeze”) — cryptsetup, libpng1.6, lvm2, during the 16:00Z britney run this Friday. > That being said, the release team has agreed (should it be need

Re: Upcoming d-i release vs. hard freeze

2025-05-13 Thread Cyril Brulebois
that made sense to have in trixie, some of them looked like “unimportant” updates that could wait, and I've ignored them. I haven't been consistent, but you can check debian-boot@ and/or debian-release@ from the last few hours for some public queries sent to maintainers/uploaders, as I trie

Re: Upcoming d-i release vs. hard freeze

2025-05-12 Thread Simon McVittie
ucing packages to wait for your pre-approval before uploading anything non-urgent to unstable during this period; or is it OK to upload to unstable, and rely on the block-udeb hints to prevent our packages from reaching testing at an inconvenient time? (subject to the usual release team app

Re: Bits from the Release Team: trixie freeze started

2025-04-15 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hi Paul, I used the release notes to upgrade a bookworm system to a trixie system. I like the new layout of the release notes, thanks for the layout upgrade :-) Overall it went very well, for the only real issue I run into, I filed a bug report: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi

Re: Bits from the Release Team: trixie freeze started

2025-04-15 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Sun, Apr 13, 2025 at 10:45:56PM +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > I am not a Debian developer, therefore I cannot create a pull request for > fixes > in the release notes myself, You absolutely can. One does *not* need to be a Debian Developer to send patches to the Debian BTS, or

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-04-05 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 12:26:42PM +0530, Sarbjit Singh Sandhu wrote: Thanks for your suggestion I liked that but can you please help me that how to use and install debian on approx 20 computers of my schools with the kde plasma desktop and how to update them every 2 years and also making it user

Re: Bits from the Release Team: trixie freeze started

2025-04-04 Thread Joop!
gt; * TBA- Milestone 4 - Full Freeze >all packages need a manual unblock for migration > > === RC bugs === > > The current list of Release Critical bugs for trixie [3] is > progressively looking better. Thanks to everybody who is helping > out. That said,

Re: Bits from the Release Team: trixie freeze started

2025-03-31 Thread Holger Wansing
t; * 2025-04-15 - Milestone 2 - Soft Freeze >>no new packages, delayed migration >> * 2025-05-15 - Milestone 3 - Hard Freeze - key packages and packages >>without autopkgtests need a manual unblock for migration >> * TBA- Milestone 4 - Full F

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-26 Thread Sarbjit Singh Sandhu
/Preseed > [1]: https://fai-project.org/ > > > > On Wed, 5 Mar, 2025, 1:45 pm Gard Spreemann, > <mailto:g...@nonempty.org>> wrote: > > > > > > Sarbjit Singh Sandhu > <mailto:sarbjitsinghsandhu...@gmail.com>> writes: > > > >

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-26 Thread Hakan Bayındır
ing to propose the creation of a new Debian branch that > offers a stable release every year, as opposed to the current 5-year > cycle. It's really great to see young people interested in Debian. I do need to point out that the current cycle has been approximately 2

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-26 Thread Sarbjit Singh Sandhu
, 1:45 pm Gard Spreemann, wrote: > > Sarbjit Singh Sandhu writes: > > > I am writing to propose the creation of a new Debian branch that > > offers a stable release every year, as opposed to the current 5-year > > cycle. > > It's really great to see young peo

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-05 Thread Stephan Verbücheln
Am Mittwoch, dem 05.03.2025 um 14:38 + schrieb Jeremy Stanley: > There's also a several-month freeze after taking a snapshot of > packages from sid before the release occurs, so when an Ubuntu LTS > release happens the contemporary age of packages in the prior LTS is > we

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-05 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2025-03-05 10:40:38 + (+), Stephan Verbücheln wrote: [...] Ubuntu schedules its LTS release always for April (normal releases October), because Gnome is always releasing in March and September. So for Ubuntu LTS users, the age of desktop apps is up to two years. [...] Not really

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-05 Thread Stephan Verbücheln
cantly older. For example, the Bookworm freeze started in January 2023, so the desktop apps are based on the Gnome release of September 2022. When Trixie will be released, the apps in Bookworm will be almost three years old. This is where average users feel the age. Ubuntu schedules its LTS release

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-05 Thread Gard Spreemann
Sarbjit Singh Sandhu writes: > I am writing to propose the creation of a new Debian branch that > offers a stable release every year, as opposed to the current 5-year > cycle. It's really great to see young people interested in Debian. I do need to point out that the current

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-04 Thread PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel
> In my opinion, the better solution would be to have more backports in > the stable release because people are mostly unhappy with outdated apps > and not with outdated essential core components. What about the project to automatically build backports around janitor ? What is the statu

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-04 Thread Stephan Verbücheln
In my opinion, the better solution would be to have more backports in the stable release because people are mostly unhappy with outdated apps and not with outdated essential core components. This would probably not even require a policy change in Debian. But it requires a lot of people with a lot

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-04 Thread Henrik Ahlgren
Andrey Rakhmatullin writes: Unfortunately, while proposing is cheap, actually *doing* this is somewhat harder. So unless you, and a suitable number of other people, are ready to work on this, this won't happen. A more realistic goal might be to increase the number of packages in the backpo

Re: Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-04 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Tue, Mar 04, 2025 at 02:12:05PM +0530, Sarbjit Singh Sandhu wrote: Dear Debian Developers, I am writing to propose the creation of a new Debian branch that offers a stable release every year, as opposed to the current 5-year cycle. This would be particularly beneficial for educational

Proposal for a Yearly Stable Release Cycle for Educational Institutions

2025-03-04 Thread Sarbjit Singh Sandhu
Dear Debian Developers, I am writing to propose the creation of a new Debian branch that offers a stable release every year, as opposed to the current 5-year cycle. This would be particularly beneficial for educational institutions, where a balance between stability and up-to-date software is

Re: Bits from the Release Team: trixie freeze dates

2025-01-28 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 28/01/2025 12:37, Frank Guthausen wrote: On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 09:34:37 +0100 Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: On 27/01/2025 23:15, Andrea Bolognani wrote: https://release.debian.org/trixie/freeze_policy.html Updated Almost - there are still the first three TBAs in the 2nd table row.

Re: Bits from the Release Team: trixie freeze dates

2025-01-28 Thread Frank Guthausen
On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 09:34:37 +0100 Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > On 27/01/2025 23:15, Andrea Bolognani wrote: > > > >https://release.debian.org/trixie/freeze_policy.html > > Updated Almost - there are still the first three TBAs in the 2nd table row. -- kind regards Frank pgpFVLmM08Tzp.

Re: Bits from the Release Team: trixie freeze dates

2025-01-28 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
On 27/01/2025 23:15, Andrea Bolognani wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 11:00:00PM +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Trying to follow our release cadence, we are going to start freezing trixie in March. As usual, it is our intention to have a short freeze, though with the short notice that may

Re: Bits from the Release Team: trixie freeze dates

2025-01-27 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 11:00:00PM +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > Trying to follow our release cadence, we are going to start freezing > trixie in March. As usual, it is our intention to have a short freeze, > though with the short notice that may be hard. We apologiz

Bug#1091766: release-notes: trixie deprecating LXD in favor of Incus

2024-12-30 Thread Mathias Gibbens
Package: release-notes Severity: normal X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, gib...@debian.org TL;DR -- It is expected that trixie will be the last release of Debian to include LXD, and users are encouraged to migrate to Incus after upgrading. (CC'ing debian-devel for br

Re: hardinfo rebooted as hardinfo2 - community edition - RELEASE 2.0.12

2024-03-04 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Mar 03, 2024 at 09:25:41PM +0100, hwspeedy wrote: > Hi Simon Quiqley, (CC: debian-devel) > > I'm trying to figure out how to get the hardinfo2 - release 2.0.12 into > debian repository. > hardinfo2 is a community fork of hardinfo and should continue as hardinfo

Re: hardinfo rebooted as hardinfo2 - community edition - RELEASE 2.0.12

2024-03-03 Thread hwspeedy
Hi Simon Quiqley, (CC: debian-devel) I'm trying to figure out how to get the hardinfo2 - release 2.0.12 into debian repository. hardinfo2 is a community fork of hardinfo and should continue as hardinfo package, currently maintained in debian by Simon Quiqley. Salvo Tomaselli suggested

hardinfo rebooted as hardinfo2 - community edition - RELEASE 2.0.12

2024-03-01 Thread hwspeedy
Hi Simon Quigley, Debian Maintainer, (CC: debian-devel list) We are proud to suggest new hardinfo2 release 2.0.12 to be included in debian repositories - test on debian 7 - SID(13). https://github.com/hardinfo2/hardinfo2/releases/tag/release-2.0.12 PS: My first release, so please guide me

Bug#1060840: ITP: golang-k8s-sigs-release-utils -- utilities for kubernetes Go release engineering (library)

2024-01-15 Thread Simon Josefsson
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Simon Josefsson * Package name: golang-k8s-sigs-release-utils Version : 0.7.7-1 Upstream Author : Kubernetes SIGs * URL : https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/release-utils * License : Apache-2.0 Programming Lang: Go

Re: Bits from the Release Team: Cambridge sprint update

2023-12-18 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi On 18-12-2023 11:29, Santiago Vila wrote: El 17/12/23 a las 22:40, Steven Robbins escribió: Does that mean ceasing the "ITP" messages in debian-devel? I'd certainly welcome that! I think he really meant debian-release, as this was "Bits from the Release Team"

Re: Bits from the Release Team: Cambridge sprint update

2023-12-18 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 18-12-2023 13:18, Antonio Terceiro wrote: Will reproducibility regressions block migration to testing? Not for the near future for 2 reasons: 1) contrary to autopkgtest where removal of the test "fixes" regression, it feels that currently blocking on regression would give maintainers

Re: Bits from the Release Team: Cambridge sprint update

2023-12-18 Thread Antonio Terceiro
On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 06:23:46PM +, Paul Gevers wrote: > Reproducibility migration policy > > > The folks from the Reproducibility Project have come a long way since they > started working on it 10 years ago, and we believe it's time for the next step > in De

Re: Bits from the Release Team: Cambridge sprint update

2023-12-18 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 06:23:46PM +, Paul Gevers wrote: > During the wonderful mini-DebConf at Cambridge, the Release Team had a sprint > and other discussions. Some of the discussed topics are worth sharing, so here > we go. [...] > Reproducibility migr

Re: Bits from the Release Team: Cambridge sprint update

2023-12-18 Thread Santiago Vila
already archives all information, and there are multiple ways anyone can subscribe to the Release Team bugs, so this mirroring seems unnecessary. More importantly it inhibits the list from being a more useful discussion channel that we like it to be. Hence, we'll try to work with the BTS maintaine

Re: Bits from the Release Team: Cambridge sprint update

2023-12-17 Thread Steven Robbins
there are > multiple ways anyone can subscribe to the Release Team bugs, so this > mirroring seems unnecessary. More importantly it inhibits the list from > being a more useful discussion channel that we like it to be. Hence, we'll > try to work with the BTS maintainers to direct the tra

Re: systemd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-17 Thread Trent W. Buck
Matthew Garrett writes: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 08:03:39PM +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > >> qemu is basically an interpreter for foreign machine code. If your >> threat model allows access to qemu-user-static for an attacker, they >> can run pretty much any binary is if it were native, and the w

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-15 Thread Timo Röhling
Hi, * Colin Watson [2023-07-14 11:50]: On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 08:08:39AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 08:03:39PM +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > qemu is basically an interpreter for foreign machine code. If your > threat model allows access to qemu-user-static for an att

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-14 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 08:08:39AM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 08:03:39PM +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > > qemu is basically an interpreter for foreign machine code. If your > > threat model allows access to qemu-user-static for an attacker, they > > can run pretty much an

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 08:03:39PM +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > qemu is basically an interpreter for foreign machine code. If your > threat model allows access to qemu-user-static for an attacker, they > can run pretty much any binary is if it were native, and the whole > SystemCallArchitectures h

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-13 Thread Timo Röhling
* Guillem Jover [2023-07-13 19:36]: The same would apply to any other interpreted program, as long as the interpreter matches the systemd native architecture. This, by the way, includes the following scenario: * Trent W. Buck [2023-07-06 10:41]: dpkg --add-architecture arm64 apt updat

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-13 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Thu, 2023-07-06 at 18:41:38 +1000, Trent W. Buck wrote: > "Trent W. Buck" writes: > > e.g. I expect "SystemCallArchitectures=native" to break for a lot of > > people (anyone doing dpkg --add-architecture) Yes, see #982456. > Short version: > > • SystemCallArchitectures=native + debian

Re: Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, 2023-07-09 at 18:02 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote: > Note that we already have such a package in the archive: dbus-broker. > It has been the default in Fedora for a long time, and it will be the > default in Ubuntu in the future. It has been available in Debian since > Bullseye - please help

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-09 Thread Luca Boccassi
On Thu, 6 Jul 2023 at 09:42, Trent W. Buck wrote: > > "Trent W. Buck" writes: > > e.g. I expect "SystemCallArchitectures=native" to break for a lot of > > people (anyone doing dpkg --add-architecture) > > Short version: > > • SystemCallArchitectures=native + debianutils:i386 doesn't break > dp

Re: Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-09 Thread Luca Boccassi
s > package build a variant that doesn't support traditional activation (for > use on systemd-only systems), and a variant that does (for use on other > systems). Then, we could work towards ensuring every D-Bus service > supports service-based activation rather than only tradition

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-06 Thread Trent W. Buck
"Trent W. Buck" writes: > e.g. I expect "SystemCallArchitectures=native" to break for a lot of > people (anyone doing dpkg --add-architecture) Short version: • SystemCallArchitectures=native + debianutils:i386 doesn't break dpkg-db-backup.service. • Probably savelog simply never calls an AR

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-05 Thread Trent W. Buck
Russ Allbery writes: > "Trent W. Buck" writes: > >> As someone who does that kind of thing a lot, I'd rather have >> the increased annoyance of opt-out hardening than >> the reduced security of opt-in hardening. >> Even if it means I occasionally need to patch site-local rules into >> /etc/appar

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-05 Thread Russ Allbery
"Trent W. Buck" writes: > As someone who does that kind of thing a lot, I'd rather have > the increased annoyance of opt-out hardening than > the reduced security of opt-in hardening. > Even if it means I occasionally need to patch site-local rules into > /etc/apparmor.d/local/usr.bin.msmtp or >

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-05 Thread Trent W. Buck
Russ Allbery writes: > [⋯] > We know which PAM modules are installed and > can analyze the PAM configuration files to know which ones are configured. > We know which daemons use PAM. > We similarly know which NSS modules are enabled. > We can figure out what facilities they require, and could > a

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-05 Thread Trent W. Buck
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2023-07-05 09:36, Russell Coker wrote: >> On Monday, 3 July 2023 22:37:35 AEST Russell Coker wrote: >>> https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SystemdAnalyzeSecurity > My fear here would be that you are not in control of what your > dependencies are doing. This is especia

Re: Debian 13 release schedule and Debian 15 codename announcement

2023-07-05 Thread Daniel S.
|| |We would also like to reveal the codename of Debian 15, which will be "Buttercup". This name follows the tradition of naming Debian releases after characters from the Toy Story movies. We hope you like it and look forward to your contributions to make Debian 15 another grea

Re: Debian 13 release schedule and Debian 15 codename announcement

2023-07-05 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 11:05:05PM +0200, Joaquín Rufo Gutierrez wrote: > No, Debian 13 will be released on 2024 occasionally. Who are you, sorry?

Re: Debian 13 release schedule and Debian 15 codename announcement

2023-07-05 Thread Samuel Henrique
The person who sent this "announcement" doesn't seem to be part of the Debian Project, they're also not listed as a member of the release team at https://www.debian.org/intro/organization Someone from the release team might confirm my assumption, but for now please assume

Re: Debian 13 release schedule and Debian 15 codename announcement

2023-07-05 Thread Fabio Fantoni
Il 05/07/2023 22:50, Joaquín Rufo Gutierrez ha scritto: |Hello Debian users, We are happy to announce that Debian 13, codenamed "Trixie", is expected to be released sometime in 2024, following the usual 2-year release cycle.| | | |Hi, sorry but if it were |||2-year release cycle |

Re: Debian 13 release schedule and Debian 15 codename announcement

2023-07-05 Thread Joaquín Rufo Gutierrez
rixie", is > > expected to be released sometime in 2024, following the usual 2-year > > release cycle. > > Bookworm was released in 2023. The usual 2-year release cycle would put > the next Debian to be released some time in 20*25*? > > Mike >

Re: Debian 13 release schedule and Debian 15 codename announcement

2023-07-05 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Jul 05, 2023 at 10:50:34PM +0200, Joaquín Rufo Gutierrez wrote: > Hello Debian users, > > We are happy to announce that Debian 13, codenamed "Trixie", is > expected to be released sometime in 2024, following the usual 2-year > release cycle. Bookworm was rele

Debian 13 release schedule and Debian 15 codename announcement

2023-07-05 Thread Joaquín Rufo Gutierrez
Hello Debian users, We are happy to announce that Debian 13, codenamed "Trixie", is expected to be released sometime in 2024, following the usual 2-year release cycle. The exact release date will depend on the progress of testing and bug fixing, but we will keep you updated on the d

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Philipp Kern writes: > My fear here would be that you are not in control of what your > dependencies are doing. This is especially true if you think of NIS and > PAM, where libraries are dlopen()ed and can spawn arbitrary helper > binaries. I remember openssh installing a syscall filter for its a

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-05 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2023-07-05 09:36, Russell Coker wrote: On Monday, 3 July 2023 22:37:35 AEST Russell Coker wrote: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SystemdAnalyzeSecurity People have asked how hard it is to create policy for daemons. For an individual to create them it's a moderate amount of work, 1-2 h

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-05 Thread Russell Coker
On Monday, 3 July 2023 22:37:35 AEST Russell Coker wrote: > https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SystemdAnalyzeSecurity People have asked how hard it is to create policy for daemons. For an individual to create them it's a moderate amount of work, 1-2 hours per daemon which is a lot considering

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-04 Thread Trent W. Buck
Marco d'Itri writes: > This is a good example of what an almost fully sandboxed service looks like: > https://salsa.debian.org/md/rpki-client/-/blob/master/debian/rpki-client.service My best score is a little better :-) On Debian 11 (systemd v247): → Overall exposure level for collection4.servic

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-04 Thread Trent W. Buck
Marco d'Itri writes: > On Jul 04, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > >> Cool but looks like a lot of work. [...] >> start with applying all of them and then looking what needs to be >> disabled? > This is what I do. FYI below is my basic workflow. Once you've done 2-5 daemons, you get a "feel" for

Re: systemd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-04 Thread Trent W. Buck
Marco d'Itri writes: > On Jul 04, "Trent W. Buck" wrote: > >> * If it runs its own process manager (e.g. postfix's "master"), >> don't bother trying to harden it. > I disagree. It may not be possible to use NoNewPrivileges, but at least > file system hardening is usually trivial to enable

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 04, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > Cool but looks like a lot of work. I do not think that this is really a lot of work. > Is it possible to do this without > applying the flags one by one and testing the result? Is it easier to You may intimately know what the daemon needs to do and how the

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-04 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 11:40:18PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > This is a good example of what an almost fully sandboxed service looks > like: > > https://salsa.debian.org/md/rpki-client/-/blob/master/debian/rpki-client.service Cool but looks like a lot of work. Is it possible to do this without

Re: systemd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jul 04, "Trent W. Buck" wrote: > * If it runs its own process manager (e.g. postfix's "master"), > don't bother trying to harden it. I disagree. It may not be possible to use NoNewPrivileges, but at least file system hardening is usually trivial to enable for most daemons. > * If it

Re: Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-04 Thread Josh Triplett
a variant that does (for use on other systems). Then, we could work towards ensuring every D-Bus service supports service-based activation rather than only traditional activation. Over the course of a release cycle or so, we *could* get to the point of being able to lock down D-Bus on systemd systems.

Re: systemd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-03 Thread Trent W. Buck
RL writes: > Russell Coker writes: > >> https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SystemdAnalyzeSecurity >> >> I think we should make it a release goal to have as many daemons as >> possible running with systemd security features to aim for a low score >> from &

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Hi, Jonathan Carter (2023-07-03): > One shouldn't trust everything that is read on Matrix. I suggest asking > the release team for clarification, because my last understanding is > that release goals still exist, it's just that the release team doesn't > want to be t

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-03 Thread Marco d'Itri
boxing, considering that it is so easy with systemd. I am not sure if it can be a release goal, but it definitely should be a best practice. This is a good example of what an almost fully sandboxed service looks like: https://salsa.debian.org/md/rpki-client/-/blob/master/debian/rpki-client.s

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-03 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 03 Jul 2023 at 20:21:20 +0100, RL wrote: > (One of the issues for services that send email is that it is very > easy to break exim) It's also very easy to break anything else that relies on running a setuid/setgid/setcap executable (including many mail delivery agents, not just Exim), as t

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-03 Thread Richard Laager
On 2023-07-03 14:21, RL wrote: Russell Coker writes: https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SystemdAnalyzeSecurity I think we should make it a release goal to have as many daemons as possible running with systemd security features to aim for a low score from "systmd- analyze security&q

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-03 Thread RL
Russell Coker writes: > https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SystemdAnalyzeSecurity > > I think we should make it a release goal to have as many daemons as > possible running with systemd security features to aim for a low score > from "systmd- analyze security". This

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-03 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Russell On 2023/07/03 14:37, Russell Coker wrote: Someone said on Matrix that we aren't going to have official release goals in future. One shouldn't trust everything that is read on Matrix. I suggest asking the release team for clarification, because my last understandin

systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-03 Thread Russell Coker
Someone said on Matrix that we aren't going to have official release goals in future. If so that doesn't stop people from doing the work just makes it less of an issue to release with some of the bugs unsolved. https://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/SystemdAnalyzeSecurity I think we s

Re: Bug#932957: Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-28 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, Stéphane Blondon wrote (Sun, 28 May 2023 13:16:24 +0200): > > > Richard Lewis wrote (Fri, 19 May > > 2023 00:58:26 +0100): > > > > > - are the red hyphens in eg the 'deb...' line near the top of > > > > > > https://people.de

Re: Bug#932957: Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-28 Thread Stéphane Blondon
> > Richard Lewis wrote (Fri, 19 May > 2023 00:58:26 +0100): > > > - are the red hyphens in eg the 'deb...' line near the top of > > > > https://people.debian.org/~holgerw/release-notes_sphinx/en/html/issues.html > > > meant to be red? (maybe it i

Re: #932957 Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-24 Thread Holger Wansing
r simpler, or even > use a canned one like (this was simply my first web search result): > > https://pypi.org/project/Sphinx-Substitution-Extensions/ > > The examples in its readme look to be along the lines of the Debian > Release Notes use case anyway. There's also basic substitu

Re: #932957 Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-24 Thread Jeremy Stanley
substitution you could get away with something far simpler, or even use a canned one like (this was simply my first web search result): https://pypi.org/project/Sphinx-Substitution-Extensions/ The examples in its readme look to be along the lines of the Debian Release Notes use case any

Re: #932957 Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-24 Thread Agathe Porte
is still lacking some > > > functionality, > > > which is heavily used in the release-notes. > > > That is the use of substitutions within URLs. > > > In docbook speach these were entities, and you could use them in URLs > > > like this: > >

Re: Bug#932957: Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-21 Thread Holger Wansing
tities (or now called substitutions) in quoted lines like deb https://deb.debian.org/debian RELEASENAME main contrib or # script -t 2>~/upgrade-RELEASENAMEstep.time -a ~/upgrade-RELEASENAMEstep.script These also do not work. That's the biggest blocker in the upgrading c

Re: #932957 Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-20 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi, RL wrote (Sat, 20 May 2023 12:52:25 +0100): > Holger Wansing writes: > > > However, I may have some objections against the migration at all: > > as far as I know, sphinx/reStructuredText is still lacking some > > functionality, > > which is heavily used in

Re: #932957 Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-20 Thread RL
Holger Wansing writes: > However, I may have some objections against the migration at all: > as far as I know, sphinx/reStructuredText is still lacking some functionality, > which is heavily used in the release-notes. > That is the use of substitutions within URLs. > In docbook sp

Re: Bug#1036358: release-notes: Debian 12 expected to be last release w/ installer for i386

2023-05-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.05.23 um 17:35 schrieb Ansgar: I suggest to already document this in the release notes for bookworm, possibly in Section 2.1 (Supported architectures) or a subsection in Section 5 (Issues to be aware of for bookworm). Maybe something along these lines: +--- | Debian 12 is expected to be

Bug#1036358: release-notes: Debian 12 expected to be last release w/ installer for i386

2023-05-19 Thread Ansgar
Package: release-notes X-Debbugs-Cc: Steve McIntyre , debian-devel@lists.debian.org On Fri, 2023-05-19 at 15:03 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I had been thinking about doing similar for installer images too, but > with other work going on too I think it got too late in the cycle to >

Re: #932957 Please migrate Release Notes to reStructuredText

2023-05-18 Thread Holger Wansing
[[ debian-devel in CC, to get a wider audience regarding reStructuredText ]] Hi, I worked on this recently, and I have something like a prototype ready. It can be found (as html) at https://people.debian.org/~holgerw/release-notes_sphinx/ while the git repo containing the migration is at https

Re: Debian Installer Bookworm RC 1 release

2023-04-03 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Charles Curley (2023-04-03): > Hmm. On https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, there are two > news items at the top. Both are dated 19 Feb 2023. Is that correct? > > The RC1 release > (https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2023/20230403) is > also dated F

Re: Debian Installer Bookworm RC 1 release

2023-04-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 3 Apr 2023 23:31:42 +0200 Cyril Brulebois wrote: > The Debian Installer team[1] is pleased to announce the first release > candidate of the installer for Debian 12 "Bookworm". Hmm. On https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, there are two news items at the top. B

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-26 Thread Nilesh Patra
t;> you're ready to sign up to maintaining in stable. >> I think that's the kind of sing-up-to-do-the-work that the security and >> release team are waiting for. > >I'd be happy if singularity would be in stable. I'm not sure how far >I can help out since

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-26 Thread Andreas Tille
x27;s the kind of sing-up-to-do-the-work that the security and > release team are waiting for. I'd be happy if singularity would be in stable. I'm not sure how far I can help out since I'm lacking competence in Go but if needed I might contribute to my limited skills. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-26 Thread Sam Hartman
>>>>> "Nilesh" == Nilesh Patra writes: Nilesh> Since I had done quite a bit of work on this, I'm a sad to Nilesh> see this happen, as fasttrack still has much less visibility Nilesh> / availability than an official stable release, or even

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-26 Thread Paul Gevers
in stable to fix security issues if those new versions are not bugfix-only releases. We have to accept that for browsers, because shipping without them seems like a disservice to nearly all of our users, but still it's something we really don't like. fasttrack still has much less visibi

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-26 Thread Nilesh Patra
ainer, > > > which lead for buster to https://bugs.debian.org/917867 and keeping it > > > out of > > > the stable release, did not really change in the aspect of beeing able to > > > patch > > > vulnerabilities to the stable branch once upstream version

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-26 Thread Paul Gevers
release, did not really change in the aspect of beeing able to patch vulnerabilities to the stable branch once upstream versions moved on, is this correct interpretation? In context from #917867, it was even in stretch at first, but needed to be removed after stretch was released in a point release. If

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-25 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 08:34:40PM +0100, Salvatore Bonaccorso wrote: > So in my understanding of the above the situation around > singularity-container, > which lead for buster to https://bugs.debian.org/917867 and keeping it out of > the stable release, did not really change in t

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-21 Thread Salvatore Bonaccorso
M +0530, Nilesh Patra wrote: > > > src:singularity-container was lying around in a bad shape for several > > > years > > > and had missed 2 debian releases until me and Andreas picked it up again. > > > It is currently in a reasonably good condition. I was excited

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-09 Thread Andreas Tille
y-container was lying around in a bad shape for several years > > and had missed 2 debian releases until me and Andreas picked it up again. > > It is currently in a reasonably good condition. I was excited to have it in > > stable release again, but I have a couple of doubts over it

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-09 Thread David Trudgian
ith respect to the lifecycle of SingularityCE versions. TLDR... * We only do patch releases for a minor x.y version of the open-source SingularityCE for ~6 months. * For versions of SingularityCE that we turn into a commercial SingularityPRO release our security policy means we will provide

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-09 Thread Shengjing Zhu
t; or not. > > I'd appreciate if someone on the list could chime in and give an opinion on > if they > consider it do-able or not for upcoming bookworm release. > Could you list the concerns that you have? + Security support? I see upstream comments that they will disclose th

Re: Should singularity-container make it to next release?

2023-01-09 Thread Nilesh Patra
ave it in > stable release again, but I have a couple of doubts over it. > > 1. A little background: > singularity-container sync the code from the upstream codebase for sylabs[1] > and there also exists a community-maintained fork called apptainer. > Sylabs singularity CE see

Re: debian/watch: Ignoring pre-release on GittHub

2022-12-13 Thread Kentaro Hayashi
> > it may be better to support such an API in uscan internals. > > I believe redirectors are more appropriate for that. Internals of uscan > are relatively uncomplicated and do not know any site-specific APIs. I didn't know redirector well, after that, yes, fakeupstream.cgi can supp

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