Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-04-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Monday 28 February 2005 14:26, sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i came up with the number by totalling the mailbox sizes of a 3000 user > mail system, and then dividing by the total number of messages in these > mailboxes. this generated a number around 13k average message size. > i had

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-21 Thread Ola Lundqvist
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 09:54:09AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Ola Lundqvist dijo [Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 09:18:33PM +0100]: > > Hello > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > Hello. > > > > > > > > I

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-19 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2005-03-19 at 09:54 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Ola Lundqvist dijo [Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 09:18:33PM +0100]: > > Hello > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > Hello. > > > > > > > > I have se

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-19 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Gunnar Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Some people tend to have really large inboxes. I have had a number of >> customers that have several GB inbox. They tend to get quite a lot >> of attachments (reports etc) and do not have the time to delete mail. >> It will grow quite fast. > Ummm... An

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ola Lundqvist dijo [Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 09:18:33PM +0100]: > Hello > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I have several reports saying procmail does not support mbox folders > > > larg

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-03-17 at 20:12 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > Hello > > On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 02:36:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:18 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2005-02

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-17 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hello On Wed, Mar 16, 2005 at 02:36:21PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:18 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > Hello > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > Hello. > > > > > > > >

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:45 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Le Mer 16 Mars 2005 21:36, Ron Johnson a écrit : > > On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:18 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > > Hello > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Sa

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-03-16 21:18:33, schrieb Ola Lundqvist: > Hello > Some people tend to have really large inboxes. I have had a number of > customers that have several GB inbox. They tend to get quite a lot > of attachments (reports etc) and do not have the time to delete mail. > It will grow quite fast. Yo

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-16 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Mer 16 Mars 2005 21:36, Ron Johnson a Ãcrit : > On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:18 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > > Hello > > > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > Hello. > > > > > > > > I have several repor

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-16 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:18 +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote: > Hello > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > > > I have several reports saying procmail does not support mbox folders > > > larger t

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-03-16 Thread Ola Lundqvist
Hello On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I have several reports saying procmail does not support mbox folders > > larger than 2GB. Questions: > > OT here, but WTF are people smoking, to have 2G

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 22:55 +0100, David Schmitt wrote: > On Monday 28 February 2005 01:51, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 18:19 -0500, sean finney wrote: > [snip] > > > figuring the average email is about 13-15k, i believe an ext2/ext3 > > > > That seems awfully huge. In my (Maildir

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-28 Thread David Schmitt
On Monday 28 February 2005 01:51, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 18:19 -0500, sean finney wrote: [snip] > > figuring the average email is about 13-15k, i believe an ext2/ext3 > > That seems awfully huge. In my (Maildir) archive of d-u, the > average size is 4,959 bytes. Of course, the

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-28 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-02-28 02:43:45, schrieb Ron Johnson: > On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 09:25 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > Who has 20 GByte mailboxes ? - It is realy braindamaged... > > The same person with the 2GB mbox that started this thread, after > s/he neglected it for a few more months. :-/ Oh yes,

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 09:25 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2005-02-27 20:19:09, schrieb Ron Johnson: > > > Sure, for those *20* GB mbox files. > > Who has 20 GByte mailboxes ? - It is realy braindamaged... The same person with the 2GB mbox that started this thread, after s/he neglected it

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-28 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-02-27 20:19:09, schrieb Ron Johnson: > Sure, for those *20* GB mbox files. Who has 20 GByte mailboxes ? - It is realy braindamaged... Even on xfs, open a 20 GByte Mailbox will eat up all resources on the System Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-28 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-02-27 18:19:45, schrieb sean finney: > can't help but chime in here :) > On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:22:30AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > > Not every situation warrants using maildir, it uses a large number of > > inodes, is slow to scan (yes, mbox isn't very good either), Mailbox is MUCH slo

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 22:26 -0500, sean finney wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:51:32PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > That seems awfully huge. In my (Maildir) archive of d-u, the > > average size is 4,959 bytes. Of course, there are no html mails. > > Though, even in my Evolution list archive,

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread sean finney
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:51:32PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > That seems awfully huge. In my (Maildir) archive of d-u, the > average size is 4,959 bytes. Of course, there are no html mails. > Though, even in my Evolution list archive, where there are many > more html-mails, the average size is

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 20:54 -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:51:32PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > Of course, all of these factors depend on the file system used. I am > > > > confident somebody could point out a file-system that eliminates many > > > > Reiserfs, of cou

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:51:32PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Of course, all of these factors depend on the file system used. I am > > > confident somebody could point out a file-system that eliminates many > > Reiserfs, of course. You meant XFS, right? (Sorry, couldn't be helped. :) --

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2005-02-28 at 11:54 +1100, Paul Hampson wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:51:32PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 18:19 -0500, sean finney wrote: > > > recent versions of kernel/ext2/ext3 have built-in dirent hashing, which > > > cuts heavily on the many-files penalty.

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread Paul Hampson
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:51:32PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 18:19 -0500, sean finney wrote: > > recent versions of kernel/ext2/ext3 have built-in dirent hashing, which > > cuts heavily on the many-files penalty. another benefit of maildir > > is that when you modify a sing

Re: [OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2005-02-27 at 18:19 -0500, sean finney wrote: > can't help but chime in here :) > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:22:30AM +1100, Brian May wrote: [snip] > > figuring the average email is about 13-15k, i believe an ext2/ext3 That seems awfully huge. In my (Maildir) archive of d-u, the avera

[OT] maildir (was Re: procmail and Large File Support)

2005-02-27 Thread sean finney
can't help but chime in here :) On Mon, Feb 28, 2005 at 09:22:30AM +1100, Brian May wrote: > Not every situation warrants using maildir, it uses a large number of > inodes, is slow to scan (yes, mbox isn't very good either), > inefficient at storing large number of very small files (due to block >

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-02-27 Thread Brian May
> "Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Colin> Not everyone likes maildir; I gave up on it after Colin> experimenting with it and realising that making it harder Colin> for myself to use standard Unix text-processing tools on my Colin> mailboxes was just too annoy

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-02-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 12:59:49PM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > The version in experimental has -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64, and it works > > > on files larger than 2GB, but I have only tested it on the i386 > > > architecture. > > Please use the value

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-02-26 Thread Santiago Vila
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Steve Langasek wrote: > > The version in experimental has -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64, and it works > > on files larger than 2GB, but I have only tested it on the i386 > > architecture. > > Please use the value of $(getconf LFS_CFLAGS) instead; it appears (based on > past exim4 bu

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-02-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 04:27:48AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 10:23 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > > I have several reports saying procmail does no

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-02-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 10:23 +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > > I have several reports saying procmail does not support mbox folders > > > larger than 2GB. Questions: > > > > OT

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-02-26 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 07:45:47PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > > I have several reports saying procmail does not support mbox folders > > larger than 2GB. Questions: > > OT here, but WTF are people smoking, to have 2GB mbox files? Consider

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-02-25 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sat, 2005-02-26 at 00:53 +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > Hello. > > I have several reports saying procmail does not support mbox folders > larger than 2GB. Questions: OT here, but WTF are people smoking, to have 2GB mbox files? -- ---

Re: procmail and Large File Support

2005-02-25 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Santiago, On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 12:53:40AM +0100, Santiago Vila wrote: > I have several reports saying procmail does not support mbox folders > larger than 2GB. Questions: > * Am I right to think that adding -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 to CFLAGS > should be enough to fix this, as explained by thi

procmail and Large File Support

2005-02-25 Thread Santiago Vila
Hello. I have several reports saying procmail does not support mbox folders larger than 2GB. Questions: * Am I right to think that adding -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 to CFLAGS should be enough to fix this, as explained by this URL?: http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html The version in experimental h