Re: Comma in Maintainer field (Was: problems in gjots2 and Debian)

2018-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 06:58:00AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > udd=# select distinct maintainer from packages where maintainer like '%,%' > > order by maintainer; > > maintainer > > > > --

Re: Comma in Maintainer field (Was: problems in gjots2 and Debian)

2018-04-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 08:37:07AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:52:18PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 04:00:51PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > Instead, tools grew to tolerate commas here rather than treat them as > > > separators (because

Re: Comma in Maintainer field (Was: problems in gjots2 and Debian)

2018-04-19 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
Thank you Andreas, this is surprisingly interesting. On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 08:37:07AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > "Adam C. Powell, IV" > Adam C. Powell, IV > Debian GNOME Maintainers , > Sebastian Dröge > John H. Robinson, IV > "Natural Language Processing, Japanese" > > Natural L

Re: Comma in Maintainer field (Was: problems in gjots2 and Debian)

2018-04-19 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi again, for sure I also here forgot the restriction to release='sid'... On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 09:49:34AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 19.04.2018 um 08:37 schrieb Andreas Tille: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:52:18PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 04:00:51PM

Re: Comma in Maintainer field (Was: problems in gjots2 and Debian)

2018-04-19 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 19.04.2018 um 08:37 schrieb Andreas Tille: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:52:18PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 04:00:51PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: >>> Instead, tools grew to tolerate commas here rather than treat them as >>> separators (because they would mishandle

Comma in Maintainer field (Was: problems in gjots2 and Debian)

2018-04-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 09:52:18PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 04:00:51PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Instead, tools grew to tolerate commas here rather than treat them as > > separators (because they would mishandle the erroneous packages). > Is this the main probl

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 04:00:51PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Instead, tools grew to tolerate commas here rather than treat them as > separators (because they would mishandle the erroneous packages). Is this the main problem with fixing the Policy? Does someone have a plan with this? -- WBR, wRA

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 03:19:51PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > As just someone who mostly maintains one package (fio - flexible I/O > > > tester) I can certainly understand how you feel about that Lucas > > > removed you as a maintainer. > > > > But that didn't happen, unless you put di

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 05:13:08PM +0200, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: > Team maintained packages usually have team's name and mailing list in > the "Maintainer:" field and possibly multiple "Uploaders:". Sure. And either they convey some info with that (like Python teams do) or not. And somebody might

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Wed, Apr 18 2018, Ian Jackson wrote: > Personally I would prefer to manage maintainership via a separate > database to the archive, perhaps tracker. Something would have to > automatically generate Maintainer and/or Uploaders for the benefit of > old consumers. I think we all want thi

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Sean Whitton writes ("Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian"): > [stuff] I don't object to any of that. Personally I would prefer to manage maintainership via a separate database to the archive, perhaps tracker. Something would have to automatically generate Maintainer and/or

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Ian, On Wed, Apr 18 2018, Ian Jackson wrote: > IMO it would be better to abolish Uploaders in favour of fixing the > original spec bug in Maintainers. Also, easier, because as a > practical matter, there is a lot of software that will fail if it > fails to find a Maintainer field but won't

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 04/18/2018 05:01 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2018-04-18 at 10:53, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > >> On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 10:45 -0400, The Wanderer wrote >> >>> On 2018-04-18 at 05:55, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > But that didn't happen, unless you put different meaning into Maintainer a

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Gert Wollny
Am Mittwoch, den 18.04.2018, 14:55 +0500 schrieb Andrey Rahmatullin: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:23:23AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > As just someone who mostly maintains one package (fio - flexible > > I/O tester) I can certainly understand how you feel about that > > Lucas removed you as

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Ian Jackson
The Wanderer writes ("Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian"): > If it really is intended that the listed Maintainer be on an equal > footing with any and all listed Uploaders, and there's no semantic > difference between these fields - just the arbitrary limitation that one &

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread The Wanderer
On 2018-04-18 at 10:53, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 10:45 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2018-04-18 at 05:55, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >>> But that didn't happen, unless you put different meaning into >>> Maintainer and Uploaders. >> >> If you don't assign different mea

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Ian Jackson
The Wanderer writes ("Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian"): > On 2018-04-18 at 05:55, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > But that didn't happen, unless you put different meaning into > > Maintainer and Uploaders. > > If you don't assign different meanings to &qu

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 10:45 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2018-04-18 at 05:55, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:23:23AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > > As just someone who mostly maintains one package (fio - flexible > > > I/O tester) I can certainly underst

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread The Wanderer
On 2018-04-18 at 05:55, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:23:23AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > >> As just someone who mostly maintains one package (fio - flexible >> I/O tester) I can certainly understand how you feel about that >> Lucas removed you as a maintainer. >

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hi Andrey. Andrey Rahmatullin - 18.04.18, 11:55: > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:23:23AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > As just someone who mostly maintains one package (fio - flexible I/O > > tester) I can certainly understand how you feel about that Lucas > > removed you as a maintainer. > >

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Hilko Bengen
Rolf, you have made your point about the conflict that arose about a package which you may or may not have been maintaining. Fair enough. However, from your last two messages, it seems to me that you feel wronged by active members on this mailing list in quite a few ways beyond what has been happ

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 11:23:23AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > As just someone who mostly maintains one package (fio - flexible I/O > tester) I can certainly understand how you feel about that Lucas removed > you as a maintainer. But that didn't happen, unless you put different meaning in

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Dear Rolf. Rolf Leggewie - 18.04.18, 07:19: […] > @ALL, it seems like no matter what I say, no matter how I explain my > reasons, I cannot convince quite a number of people. So, I plan not > to waste my time on trying anymore. Steve is much better of getting > to the relevant points anyhow. I c

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-17 Thread Rolf Leggewie
On 18.04.2018 13:19, Rolf Leggewie wrote: > I get all this for maintaining a number of packages for 10+ years in > Debian BTW, one of the first packages if not THE first package was gjots2.  And I had to go through a lengthy and cumbersome MIA process to take over.  Seems like the rules do not app

problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-17 Thread Rolf Leggewie
Wookey wrote: > > > I had had a look at the new upstream quite a while ago and found > > > several bugs so I reported them upstream and held off releasing > > > to Debian. > > > > > > https://sourceforge.net/p/gjots2/bugs/ > > Someone new to this can't tell from this message or that list of 20 bug