On 2012-11-14 08:44:58 +0100, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
> >I have the same card and I can tell you that the nouveau driver is
> >broken with it. See the bug mentioned above:
> >
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640464
>
> According to point 6 of http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/w
I have the same card and I can tell you that the nouveau driver is
broken with it. See the bug mentioned above:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=640464
According to point 6 of http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/TroubleShooting
do you tried building nouveau from the latest s
On 2012-11-13 13:23:48 +0100, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
> >It would be interesting to know which Debian developers have
> >which laptops. Bugs appearing on these laptops might be fixed
> >more easily. At least it would allow bugs to be checked and
> >possibly reproduced more easily.
> >
> >I'm wonder
Every post to this thread makes my heart that little bit heavier.
Can participants please
a) consider whether this is on topic to -devel and move to -user if
not;
b) trim quotes appropriately;
c) change Subject: when the subject under discussion changes
Thanks in advance.
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The Wanderer writes:
> On 11/12/2012 03:52 PM, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
>
>>> (BTW, I plan to purchase a Lemote YeeLoong 8101B, which has only GNU/Linux
>>> support, but haven't had news from the vendor yet.)
>>
>> I've heard some time ago about Lemote laptops (aka Stallman recommendations!)
>> its
It would be interesting to know which Debian developers have
which laptops. Bugs appearing on these laptops might be fixed
more easily. At least it would allow bugs to be checked and
possibly reproduced more easily.
I'm wondering whether any Debian developer has a G98/G98M NVIDIA
card to confirm
Hello,
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:29:04 -0500
The Wanderer wrote:
> Or you could try one of the laptops from ZaReason; they specialize in
> designing, building, and supporting laptops specifically intended to
> run Linux. I haven't used one myself, but they look like a good
> outfit from what I can
On 2012-11-12 21:52:41 +0100, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
> >(BTW, I plan to purchase a Lemote YeeLoong 8101B, which has only
> >GNU/Linux support, but haven't had news from the vendor yet.)
>
> I've heard some time ago about Lemote laptops (aka Stallman
> recommendations!) its worth attention but the
On 11/12/2012 03:52 PM, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
(BTW, I plan to purchase a Lemote YeeLoong 8101B, which has only GNU/Linux
support, but haven't had news from the vendor yet.)
I've heard some time ago about Lemote laptops (aka Stallman recommendations!)
its worth attention but they have very wi
(BTW, I plan to purchase a Lemote YeeLoong 8101B, which has only
GNU/Linux support, but haven't had news from the vendor yet.)
I've heard some time ago about Lemote laptops (aka Stallman recommendations!)
its worth attention but they have very wierd low resolution (1024x600),
small RAM (1GB) sl
On 11/04/2012 04:54 AM, Andrej N. Gritsenko wrote:
> That is no case for open software as you still have no money from it,
> whether would you fix the bugs or not, therefore will someone use it
> beside you or not, it still will be for your own fun. That's the
> difference and I have to admit that
On 2012-11-11 21:27:19 +0100, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
> Do you tried nvidia close drivers or nouveau (in the aspect
> suspend/resume)?!
Only nouveau (to avoid tainted kernels in particular). But I had
problems with the Nvidia proprietary drivers in the past.
At least the following bug has been fi
Bart,
My reason to posting to debian-devel the lists about "major linux
desktop problems in 2012" (which additional
are very similar to my 'using linux/ubuntu/debian-whatever' problems)
was focus 'Debian developers' to real
problems which had trubles many usual fans/enthusiasts of free
operati
Riku,
My laptop (Dell Latitude E6510) was bought without Windows pre-installed
and with ubuntu installed.
Regards,
Karol Szk.
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So Vincent we probably choose wrong laptops.. :-) Designed to run
Windows. :-)
ps.
Thanks for links I've just look on them.
ps2.
Do you tried nvidia close drivers or nouveau (in the aspect
suspend/resume)?!
Regards,
KarolSzk.
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On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 02:36:24PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote:
> Perhaps we should stop pretending Linux runs on any random hardware, and
> tell people to buy machines with Linux pre-installed? System76 [1],
> Google [2], Dell, HP, Acer, and others do already so.
Dell's shipping a "heavily patched"[
On 2012-11-09 14:36:24 +0200, Riku Voipio wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:03:37PM +0100, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
[...]
> > and about touchpad:
> >
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/606238
[...]
> Perhaps we should stop pretending Linux runs on any random hardware, and
>
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 02:36:24PM +0200, Riku Voipio wrote:
> Android didn't grab 75% of the market by providing android installation
> instructions for iphones - it took the market with android preinstalled
> on phones[3].
> [3] and lots of other reasons too but let us not spoil a great analogue
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:03:37PM +0100, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
> and about graphics freeze:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/1033263
>
> and about touchpad:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/606238
>
> and about cpu fan:
>
> h
Andrey Rahmatullin writes:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 02:37:34PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> At least with open source software, a third path (besides working
>> around the bug or switching to some other software) also exists: you
>> can help. That's not always practical, but at least it's *pos
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:41:13PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 04:01:03PM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> > "You can't publish a (dynamically linked) binary that can be used on most
> > user systems"
> > "You cannot make all your GUI software look the same"
>
> The inf
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:03:37PM +0100, Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
> > Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
> >> today in 2012 I'm struggling with many
> >> problems with setup/tunning my Dell Latitude E6510 and Ubuntu
> Currently my laptop works under Ubuntu
> I don't know where are also Debian specific
> Secon
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 04:01:03PM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> "You can't publish a (dynamically linked) binary that can be used on most
> user systems"
> "You cannot make all your GUI software look the same"
The information density and/or applicability of those statements is too
low to use
2012/11/3 Jonathan Nieder :
> Hi Karol,
>
> Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
>
>> I'm Debian/Ubuntu/Linux enthusiasts which loves using free operating
>> systems on my machines, but today in 2012 I'm struggling with many
>> problems with setup/tunning my Dell Latitude E6510 and Ubuntu and I
>> have some tho
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 10:29:50PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote:
> If there are specific issues which cannot be expressed by bug reports
> (e.g. because they affect more than one package), by all means raise
> them here one by one.
"You can't publish a (dynamically linked) binary that can be used on
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 02:37:34PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> At least with open source software, a third path (besides working around
> the bug or switching to some other software) also exists: you can help.
> That's not always practical, but at least it's *possible*.
Not all problems are things
]] "Andrej N. Gritsenko"
> That is no case for open software as you still have no money from it,
> whether would you fix the bugs or not, therefore will someone use it
> beside you or not, it still will be for your own fun.
You seem to be confusing «open software» (sic) with non-commercial
softw
On Sun, 4 Nov 2012, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> > Linux/open source developers are usually not interested in fixing bugs if
> > they cannot easily reproduce them. This problem plagues virtually all
> > Open Source projects.
>
> Well in proprietary software you are usually required to blindly purchas
Andrey Rahmatullin writes:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 08:53:24PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>> And if he doesn't like the answers, there are plenty of other operating
>> systems to choose from.
> This is dangerously close to "if you think these are problems, just use
> a different OS, we are fin
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 03:23:06AM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 08:53:24PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > > Don't feed the troll.
> > > It's not trolling.
> > > It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
> > > problems.
> > He should use
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 08:53:24PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > Don't feed the troll.
> > It's not trolling.
> > It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
> > problems.
> He should use the BTS like everyone else.
A lot of things can't be expressed in a form of a bu
On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 09:53:53PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > > Don't feed the troll.
> > It's not trolling.
> > It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
> > problems.
>
> It's not. If he was serious, he wouldn't be citing articles from 2007.
Do that
Hi Karol,
Karol Szkudlarek wrote:
> I'm Debian/Ubuntu/Linux enthusiasts which loves using free operating
> systems on my machines, but today in 2012 I'm struggling with many
> problems with setup/tunning my Dell Latitude E6510 and Ubuntu and I
> have some thoughts general thoughts about Linux lac
Hello!
Ben Hutchings has written on Saturday, 3 November, at 19:30:
>Don't feed the troll.
I believe that was not trolling but rather list of what every good
developer should pay attention - especially moments that give biggest
inconveniences for the users. At least from my experience I
Hello!
Salvo Tomaselli has written on Saturday, 3 November, at 20:36:
>> Linux/open source developers are usually not interested in fixing bugs if
>> they cannot easily reproduce them. This problem plagues virtually all Open
>> Source projects.
>Well in proprietary software you are usually re
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 01:56:08AM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 07:30:00PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > Don't feed the troll.
> It's not trolling.
> It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
> problems.
It's not. If he was serious, he w
On Sun, 2012-11-04 at 01:56 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 07:30:00PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > Don't feed the troll.
> It's not trolling.
> It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
> problems.
He should use the BTS like everyone else
On Sun, Nov 04, 2012 at 12:05:23AM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote:
> These are not *linux* problems.
If you mean just the kernel, a large part of the list is comprised of
kernel problems.
> 2012/11/3 Andrey Rahmatullin
>
> > On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 07:30:00PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > > Don't fe
These are not *linux* problems.
2012/11/3 Andrey Rahmatullin
> On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 07:30:00PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > Don't feed the troll.
> It's not trolling.
> It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
> problems.
>
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On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 07:30:00PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> Don't feed the troll.
It's not trolling.
It's a honest list of problems which a lot of developers don't view as
problems.
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On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 08:36:51PM +0100, Salvo Tomaselli wrote:
> > Distros' repositories do not contain all available open source software
> well given that on github there are several toy projects, or projects made
> for
> courses that are completely useless for the users and abandoned in a fe
Hello,
> In my opinion is a objective view of desktop linux problems and I
> would like to show it in Debian environment which always was (and is)
> a mission to create solid rock
> software.
That list is quite questionable. For example:
> Linux/open source developers are usually not interested
Don't feed the troll.
Ben.
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I'm Debian/Ubuntu/Linux enthusiasts which loves using free operating
systems on my machines, but today in 2012 I'm struggling with many
problems with setup/tunning my Dell Latitude E6510 and Ubuntu and I
have some thoughts general thoughts about Linux lacking and problems.
And in the i
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