This one time, at band camp, Wouter Verhelst said:
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:45:07PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > AFAICS, post-processing of log messages would be the most reliable
> > > method to give admins localized logs while also making it
On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:45:07PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > AFAICS, post-processing of log messages would be the most reliable
> > method to give admins localized logs while also making it feasible
> > for upstreams to support user requests. Any p
Am 2007-01-18 01:28:34, schrieb Manoj Srivastava:
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:15:50 +0100, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
> > This peoples will ask you for help and send all the logfiles maybe
> > in arabic, hindu or africaan.
>
> Hindu is an adjective that describes someone w
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 15:01:25 +0900, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> The etymology of the word is not english: (Hindu + stan). When
>> incorporating it into English, the word came with a well defined
>> meaning.
> Apparently the english auth
On Fri, 2007-01-19 at 10:36 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> There are scattered bits of imperialism in the English language that went
> in when the people speaking it didn't care about fine distinctions, such
> as the religions of people they were conquering or the difference between
> a religion and
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The etymology of the word is not english: (Hindu + stan). When
> incorporating it into English, the word came with a well defined
> meaning.
Apparently the english authors who used it didn't realize that, and I
assume their usage reflects th
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:19:24 +0900, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I hate to break it to you (and I do sincerely apologize for
>> spoiling your innocence), but lexicons are not handed down to
>> mankind on tablets writ in stone as some kind
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I hate to break it to you (and I do sincerely apologize for
> spoiling your innocence), but lexicons are not handed down to mankind
> on tablets writ in stone as some kind of divine donation.
I was not claiming that.
Indeed, I was claiming
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:21:47 +0900, Miles Bader <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Merriam-Webster is falling into the old non-PC over-generalization
>> that all inhabitants of India are Hindus.
> "Merriam-Webster" isn't falling into anything, it's a dict
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Merriam-Webster is falling into the old non-PC
> over-generalization that all inhabitants of India are Hindus.
"Merriam-Webster" isn't falling into anything, it's a dictionary, and
dictionaries describe usage.
I know from reading old books t
On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:45:07PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > AFAICS, post-processing of log messages would be the most reliable
> > method to give admins localized logs while also making it feasible
> > for upstreams to support user requests. Any p
On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Steve Langasek wrote:
> AFAICS, post-processing of log messages would be the most reliable
> method to give admins localized logs while also making it feasible
> for upstreams to support user requests. Any problems that would make
> it hard to post-process English logs for loca
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 11:13:58AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > Am 2007-01-12 07:16:12, schrieb Christian Perrier:
> > > Could you explain us your perception of the harm caused by this?
> > This peoples will ask you for help and send all the logfil
Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Hindu is an adjective that describes someone whose faith is
>> hinduism. It is not a language.
> And, according to Merriam-Webster[1], a native or inhabitant from India.
> [1] http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?b
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:05:41 -0300, Felipe Sateler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>
>> Hindu is an adjective that describes someone whose faith is
>> hinduism. It is not a language.
>>
>> manoj
> And, according to Merriam-Webster[1], a native or inhabitant from
> India.
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> Hindu is an adjective that describes someone whose faith is
> hinduism. It is not a language.
>
> manoj
And, according to Merriam-Webster[1], a native or inhabitant from India.
[1] http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=hindoo
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:15:50 +0100, Michelle Konzack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Am 2007-01-12 07:16:12, schrieb Christian Perrier:
>> > I do not like to see Debian doing the same thing...
>>
>>
>> You mean doing what's needed to be by default accessible to people
>> who don't speak English if
Le 16 janv. 07 à 20:13, Don Armstrong a écrit :
This peoples will ask you for help and send all the logfiles maybe
in arabic, hindu or africaan.
So you ask them to translate or rerun the program with an appropriate
locale. Being able to speak all of the languages that Debian is in
isn't a req
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2007-01-12 07:16:12, schrieb Christian Perrier:
> > Could you explain us your perception of the harm caused by this?
>
> This peoples will ask you for help and send all the logfiles maybe
> in arabic, hindu or africaan.
So you ask them to translat
Am 2007-01-12 07:16:12, schrieb Christian Perrier:
> > I do not like to see Debian doing the same thing...
>
>
> You mean doing what's needed to be by default accessible to people who
> don't speak English if they did choose to install in another language
> than English?
>
> Could you explain us
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On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 06:54:24PM +0100, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:38:29 +0100
> Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > At the very least, if we're going to translate log messages, then there
> > should be an easy swi
Hello,
Andrea Bolognani wrote:
If we want to provide our non-English-speaking users with localized log
messages, wouldn't it be possible to create a program which translates the
logs on the fly, based on the message catalog we should write anyway?
IMO, the proper solution would be machine-rea
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:38:29 +0100
Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At the very least, if we're going to translate log messages, then there
> should be an easy switch to disable such translation for log messages
> alone (while not for the rest of the system).
If we want to provide our
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 07:16:12AM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> > I do not like to see Debian doing the same thing...
>
>
> You mean doing what's needed to be by default accessible to people who
> don't speak English if they did choose to install in another language
> than English?
>
> Coul
> I do not like to see Debian doing the same thing...
You mean doing what's needed to be by default accessible to people who
don't speak English if they did choose to install in another language
than English?
Could you explain us your perception of the harm caused by this?
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> Am 2006-12-31 08:48:50, schrieb Szalay Attila:
> > Hi All!
>
> > Then you lucky or your packages do it right. :)
> >
> > My problem is not with the bug report language but the cut&pasted log
> > messages language. If I got a bug report I allways ask
Hello all,
sorry for the late answer but I am fighting with a SPAM bomb...
Am 2006-12-31 08:48:50, schrieb Szalay Attila:
> Hi All!
> Then you lucky or your packages do it right. :)
>
> My problem is not with the bug report language but the cut&pasted log
> messages language. If I got a bug rep
Hi,
* Gabor Gombas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-12-31 14:54]:
> On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 12:15:27PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> > I have received some bug reports which contain logs from a non-english
> > locale, but in the cases that I have not been able to figure it out I
> > have asked the submitt
On Sun, Dec 31, 2006 at 12:15:27PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
> I have received some bug reports which contain logs from a non-english
> locale, but in the cases that I have not been able to figure it out I
> have asked the submitter to retry with LANG=C.
>
> Actually no big deal here.
If the log
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 08:48:50 +0100, Szalay Attila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>My problem is not with the bug report language but the cut&pasted log
>messages language.
I have received some bug reports which contain logs from a non-english
locale, but in the cases that I have not been able to figur
Hi All!
On v, 2006-12-31 at 00:08 +0100, Marc Haber wrote:
>
> For the record: I maintain two widely installed packages which are
> translated to a gazillion of languages (exim4 and adduser, to be
> exact), and I have never received a non-english bug report.
Then you lucky or your packages do it
On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:13:57 +0100, Michelle Konzack
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Maybe the package maintainer do not want to get bugreports
>for his/her package in 100 differns languages?
You are - again - taking about something you don't understand.
For the record: I maintain two widely installe
Am 2006-12-22 09:37:35, schrieb Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña:
> IMHO, either that software should be modified to support i18n text or the
> admin would have to choose wether he prefers to *understand* the logfile or
> to be able to parse it with automatic programs (I believe you are talking
> abo
Hi,
Am 2006-12-22 03:27:43, schrieb Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña:
> > I can't find anything about this in the policy but to me it
> > doesnt make sense to use a locale if you dont want it for
> > some programs.
>
> Why would you *not* want a locale? If the program has l10n support and it
> pr
Hi All!
On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 09:37 +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
>
> IMHO, either that software should be modified to support i18n text or the
> admin would have to choose wether he prefers to *understand* the logfile or
> to be able to parse it with automatic programs (I believe
Hi,
* Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-12-22 14:43]:
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 07:33:20PM +0100, Nico Golde wrote:
> > Adam Cécile reported #400719[0] to the fetchmail package.
[...]
> > Fetchmail currently does, we are not calling it with
> > LC_MESSAGES=C or something si
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 09:37:35AM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peńa wrote:
> b.- be able to read the non-english logfiles,
Btw.: you rarely _read_ logfiles, because most of the time they are just
too terse (unless you already know what they mean, but then it is no
longer important what langu
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 09:37:35AM +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peńa wrote:
> In any case, it would not be too difficult to adjust programas that parse
> logs to be able to parse translated messages. Take in account that all
> translated text messages would be available in a message catalog (t
On Fri, Dec 22, 2006 at 08:12:52AM +0100, SZALAY Attila wrote:
> > Why would you *not* want a locale? If the program has l10n support and it
> > provides messages (even in a non-interactive way) there's chances some users
> > will benefit from the translated messages.
>
> In log files, localized m
Hi!
On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 03:27 +0100, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 07:33:20PM +0100, Nico Golde wrote:
> >
> > I can't find anything about this in the policy but to me it
> > doesnt make sense to use a locale if you dont want it for
> > some programs.
>
> Why
On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 07:33:20PM +0100, Nico Golde wrote:
> Hi,
> Adam Cécile reported #400719[0] to the fetchmail package.
>
> The question is wheter a system wide daemon should care
> about the system wide locale configurations or not.
I'd say yes, since if the daemon spits out messages (eit
Le mercredi 29 novembre 2006 à 19:33 +0100, Nico Golde a écrit :
> Hi,
> Adam Cécile reported #400719[0] to the fetchmail package.
>
> The question is wheter a system wide daemon should care
> about the system wide locale configurations or not.
>
> Fetchmail currently does, we are not calling it
Hi,
Adam Cécile reported #400719[0] to the fetchmail package.
The question is wheter a system wide daemon should care
about the system wide locale configurations or not.
Fetchmail currently does, we are not calling it with
LC_MESSAGES=C or something similar.
I can't find anything about this in
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