Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-13 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Joachim, On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 02:49:00PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: > > > > I hope you are aware that taring up two byte identical trees usually > > does not lead to a byte identical tarball. > > Well, I was hoping that uscan would not simply create new tarballs, but > rather removing

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-13 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Donnerstag, den 13.03.2014, 14:06 +0100 schrieb Andreas Tille: > > This would be quite annoying in my usual workflow. > > I hope you are aware that taring up two byte identical trees usually > does not lead to a byte identical tarball. Well, I was hoping that uscan would not simply create

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-13 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Lisandro, On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 07:53:52PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote: > > > > it sounded be too good to be true: > > > > $ rm ../*tar.gz && uscan --download && md5sum > > ../haskell-ekg_0.3.1.4+dfsg.orig.tar.gz haskell-ekg: Newer version > > (0.3.1.4) available on re

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-13 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Joachim, On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:02:27PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 18:37 -0300 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor > Pérez Meyer: > > > Do you (or anyone) know if it repacks the file consistently? I.e. will > > > two developers, who both use uscan to

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Mike Hommey
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 08:06:14AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > I guess it just unpacks, removes and repacks. Which also means it would > > be quite annoying in my own workflow which involves unpacking/repacking > > 700MB. The script I'm using

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:14 AM, Mike Hommey wrote: > I guess it just unpacks, removes and repacks. Which also means it would > be quite annoying in my own workflow which involves unpacking/repacking > 700MB. The script I'm using now does the filtering on the tar stream > itself, without actually

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Wednesday 12 March 2014 23:02:27 Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 18:37 -0300 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor > > Pérez Meyer: > > > Do you (or anyone) know if it repacks the file consistently? I.e. will > > > two developers, who both use uscan to get the original

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Mike Hommey
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:02:27PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 18:37 -0300 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor > Pérez Meyer: > > > Do you (or anyone) know if it repacks the file consistently? I.e. will > > > two developers, who both use uscan to get the origi

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Mittwoch, den 12.03.2014, 18:37 -0300 schrieb Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer: > > Do you (or anyone) know if it repacks the file consistently? I.e. will > > two developers, who both use uscan to get the original tarball for the > > same version and with the same File-Excluded get ident

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-12 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Tuesday 11 March 2014 09:07:43 Joachim Breitner wrote: > Hi, > > Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2014, 10:34 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise: > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Joachim Breitner wrote: > > > nor mess with tarball repackaging (which I consider ugly, a cludge, and > > > to be avoided if possible

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Joachim Breitner (2014-03-11 11:29:31) > Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2014, 11:22 +0100 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: > > Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-03-11 03:32:54) > > > Paul Wise writes: > > > > > >> I'd suggest an acceptable workaround is to include the source in the > > >> debian.tar.gz/diff.gz

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2014, 11:22 +0100 schrieb Jonas Smedegaard: > Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-03-11 03:32:54) > > Paul Wise writes: > > > >> I'd suggest an acceptable workaround is to include the source in the > >> debian.tar.gz/diff.gz or to repack the upstream tarball, probably the > >>

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-03-11 03:32:54) > Paul Wise writes: > >> I'd suggest an acceptable workaround is to include the source in the >> debian.tar.gz/diff.gz or to repack the upstream tarball, probably the >> latter since jQuery is usually an embedded code copy. > >> https://wiki.debian.org/

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Olivier Berger
Hi. Joachim Breitner writes: > Hi, > > I keep discussing the same issues caused by minified JS files (mostly > JQuery) in their source tarballs over and over. Could maybe those who > care deeply about this write a concise wiki page with all that upstream > needs to know about our expectations, s

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-11 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 11.03.2014, 10:34 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise: > On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Joachim Breitner wrote: > > nor mess with tarball repackaging (which I consider ugly, a cludge, and > > to be avoided if possible) > > Recent versions of uscan can automatically repack upstream tarb

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Ben Finney
Paul Wise writes: > I think that DFSG item 2 means we have promised not to do this. > > Also this particular issue is in the reject FAQ. > > https://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html It would be very helpful if Paul could at this point give a URL to exactly which item he's referring to. But

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Joachim Breitner wrote: > nor mess with tarball repackaging (which I consider ugly, a cludge, and > to be avoided if possible) Recent versions of uscan can automatically repack upstream tarballs to remove files, just include a Files-Excluded line in debian/copyrig

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Russ Allbery
Paul Wise writes: > I'd suggest an acceptable workaround is to include the source in the > debian.tar.gz/diff.gz or to repack the upstream tarball, probably the > latter since jQuery is usually an embedded code copy. > https://wiki.debian.org/EmbeddedCodeCopies Note that we do not (and should n

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: > as long as the code in question is not under a license that requires the > full, non-minified source to be reproduced and if the copyright notices and > license terms as potentially required by the license are present, I don't > see why not. B

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 3:29 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: > Hi, > > > On 2014-03-10 18:27, Joachim Breitner wrote: >> >> I keep discussing the same issues caused by minified JS files (mostly >> JQuery) in their source tarballs over and over. Could maybe those who >> care deeply about this write a conci

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Philipp Kern
Hi, On 2014-03-10 18:27, Joachim Breitner wrote: I keep discussing the same issues caused by minified JS files (mostly JQuery) in their source tarballs over and over. Could maybe those who care deeply about this write a concise wiki page with all that upstream needs to know about our expectation

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Marcin Kulisz
On 2014-03-10 13:05:30, Steve M. Robbins wrote: > On March 10, 2014 06:27:01 PM Joachim Breitner wrote: > > > Also, am I too pragmatic in suggesting that we should accept non-source > > files in tarballs if they are legally distributed and not used during > > the build (especially not included in

Re: jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Steve M. Robbins
On March 10, 2014 06:27:01 PM Joachim Breitner wrote: > Also, am I too pragmatic in suggesting that we should accept non-source > files in tarballs if they are legally distributed and not used during > the build (especially not included in the binary packages)? I generally take that approach.

jquery debate with upstrea

2014-03-10 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, I keep discussing the same issues caused by minified JS files (mostly JQuery) in their source tarballs over and over. Could maybe those who care deeply about this write a concise wiki page with all that upstream needs to know about our expectations, so that I can point them to it? That page sh