Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-17 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Hendrik Sattler] > Does that work when not using pmount but only hal to mount devices? Can the > other side of d-bus messages be aware of such group memberships?: > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377689 Thank you for the reference. It seem to me that this problem still exist

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-17 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Dienstag 17 Oktober 2006 13:50 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen: > By updating /etc/pam.d/common-auth and /etc/security/group.conf it is > possible to add the logged in user to the grous needed (audio, > floppy, cdrom, plugdev, video). In addition to getting access to > the devices present d

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-17 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Gernot Salzer] > what is the standard/canonical way of handling device permissions > in Debian ("etch" in my case) on desktop PCs running a GUI? As you probably found out from the replies so far, there is no standard way. :( Here are some notes I wrote for Debian Edu. You might find it useful.

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-14 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Qua, 2006-10-11 às 23:17 +0200, Tim Dijkstra escreveu: > One problem is that a user can launch a daemon that keeps the device file > open before she logs out > Also I was referring to how pam_group works, but I find this way of > handling permissions even more broken than pam_group. For example, >

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006, Roland Mas wrote: > Sam Morris, 2006-10-11 13:40:08 +0200 : > > > I think HAL/PolicyTool/pam_foreground will eventually give us a > > (slow?) solution to problems like this, but it's some way off at the > > moment. Being able to add/revoke permissions with traditional > > secu

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 16:31:37 +0200 Gernot Salzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > First, there is no safe way to revoke privileges from a user. If a user > > gets access to a certain group he/she can arrange ways to keep it, > > even after being logged out (make a suid binary for example). > > I

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Daniel Schepler
On Wednesday 11 October 2006 14:12 pm, Gernot Salzer wrote: > Don't mechanisms like libpam_devperm grant exclusive access? > On login the ownership of the devices is set to the console user, > and only the owner is granted rwx-rights. On logout > ownership/permissions of the device revert to the ol

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Roland Mas
Sam Morris, 2006-10-11 13:40:08 +0200 : > I think HAL/PolicyTool/pam_foreground will eventually give us a > (slow?) solution to problems like this, but it's some way off at the > moment. Being able to add/revoke permissions with traditional > security methods (i.e. group membership) requires kerne

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Gernot Salzer
> First, there is no safe way to revoke privileges from a user. If a user > gets access to a certain group he/she can arrange ways to keep it, > even after being logged out (make a suid binary for example). I admit that I don't know much about the internals of Unix/Linux. So, if upon login of us

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:12:20 +0200 Gernot Salzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Don't mechanisms like libpam_devperm grant exclusive access? > On login the ownership of the devices is set to the console user, > and only the owner is granted rwx-rights. On logout > ownership/permissions of the devic

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Gernot Salzer
> > Having to add users to particular groups is not reasonable in a > > desktop setting. There, one would like to have the current user > > at the console (logged in via gdm or similar) to be the one with > > exclusive rights on local devices (fixed ones like audio and video > > as well as variable

Re: gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Sam Morris
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:08:27 +0200, Gernot Salzer wrote: > It seems that users have to be added to group "audio" > in order to be able to access audio devices, group "video" to access > video devices, "cdrom" to access cdrom, and so on. Or did I miss some > setting during installation of etch? >

gdm/Gnome/KDE and device permissions

2006-10-11 Thread Gernot Salzer
Dear DDs & D-friends, what is the standard/canonical way of handling device permissions in Debian ("etch" in my case) on desktop PCs running a GUI? It seems that users have to be added to group "audio" in order to be able to access audio devices, group "video" to access video devices, "cdrom" to