Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-29 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 05:24:50AM +1100, Andrew Vaughan a écrit : > > > As a user technical seems awkward and unintuitive to me. I would rather it > was called Science and Engineering. [Since the question is not… technical, let's transfer this part of the discussion on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-29 Thread Andrew Vaughan
[Sorry for the late reply] On Wednesday 16 January 2008 08:18, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > >> > >> It appears that the Technical menu should include at least; > >> - Science > >> - Engineering > >> - Math > >> - HamRadio > >> - Electronics [snip] > I thought that Science fit under Technical, if the off

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread Charles Plessy
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 10:39:03AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > I think the good solution is a new "technical" menu with optional > > submenus appearing when it becomes too large. If you can agree on the > > structure of this menu and make it fit as much as possible to existing > > XDG cate

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 02:22:19PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > >> Err, like you did already for games, as you said. I see in the >> standard GNOME gnome-applications.menu. >> >> It appears that the Technical menu should include at least; >> - Science >

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 02:22:19PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > >> Err, like you did already for games, as you said. I see in the >> standard GNOME gnome-applications.menu. >> >> It appears that the Technical menu should include at least; >> - Science >

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread L. Redrejo
El mar, 15-01-2008 a las 16:22 +0100, Andreas Tille escribió: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, José L. Redrejo Rodríguez wrote: > > >> And here we have good chances for a flame because I as a user would > >> not expect Science and Math under a main menu "Technical". I'd rather > >> see "Science" as a main

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, José L. Redrejo Rodríguez wrote: And here we have good chances for a flame because I as a user would not expect Science and Math under a main menu "Technical". I'd rather see "Science" as a main menu entry and find "Math" below this. I do not say that my point of view is c

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread L. Redrejo
El mar, 15-01-2008 a las 14:22 +0100, Andreas Tille escribió: > On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > > > Err, like you did already for games, as you said. I see in the > > standard GNOME gnome-applications.menu. > > > > It appears that the Technical menu should include at least; > > - Scie

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Err, like you did already for games, as you said. I see in the standard GNOME gnome-applications.menu. It appears that the Technical menu should include at least; - Science - Engineering - Math - HamRadio - Electronics And here we have good chances f

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 11:34:10PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > Can submenus be made to appear automatically? I should study the > standards. Err, like you did already for games, as you said. I see in the standard GNOME gnome-applications.menu. It appears that the Technical menu should include

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 10:39:03AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 14 janvier 2008 à 21:25 +, Peter Clifton a écrit : > > Since there are no other categories in the XDG spec which fit, this is > > really why the problem occurs: > > > > "Every conforming desktop environment MUST suppo

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-15 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 14 janvier 2008 à 21:25 +, Peter Clifton a écrit : > Since there are no other categories in the XDG spec which fit, this is > really why the problem occurs: > > "Every conforming desktop environment MUST support" (XDG menu-spec) At least for GNOME, I have nothing against adding new m

Re: Generic "extra menus" package (was: Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion))

2008-01-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Peter Clifton wrote: I don't think it serves the purpose, as anything configured by the desktop-profiles would only be done at session startup time. This is correct. This completely breaks the use-case where: apt-get install Will place the app in the user's expected m

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Andreas Tille wrote: Well, you did not answered on my hint to desktop-profiles. Could you please comment on the differences between desktop-profiles and extra-menus? Perhaps I absolutely missed your point. I'm really interested in enhancing menus but I would hate if we wou

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Peter Clifton wrote: I'd still very much like to get something like "extra-menus" uploaded in Well, you did not answered on my hint to desktop-profiles. Could you please comment on the differences between desktop-profiles and extra-menus? Perhaps I absolutely missed your

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 11:28:00PM +, Peter Clifton a écrit : > > On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 08:22 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > > > Shall I open a wiki page to start the coordination of this ? > > That sounds like a good idea.. I will contact the SuSE and Fedora people > I know packaging Elec

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 08:22 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > > Shall I open a wiki page to start the coordination of this ? That sounds like a good idea.. I will contact the SuSE and Fedora people I know packaging Electronics applications. I'd still very much like to get something like "extra-me

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-14 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 09:25:55PM +, Peter Clifton a écrit : > > Suggesting that any of these should be shoe-horned into the nearest XDG > main category or risk not appearing in any menu is only going to cause > the XDG system to be further inefficient in meeting users needs. For > gEDA, we v

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 09:43 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 07:34:21PM +, Peter Clifton a écrit : > > > > In gEDA, the .desktop files list "Electronics" and "Engineering" (both > > of which are sub-categories), and without an additional XML file > > describing a new men

Re: Generic "extra menus" package (was: Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion))

2008-01-14 Thread Peter Clifton
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 10:53 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Peter Clifton wrote: > > > http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcjc2/debian/extra-menus_1.0-1.dsc > > http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcjc2/debian/extra-menus_1.0-1.diff.gz > > http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcjc2/debian/extra-menus_1.0.or

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-14 Thread Jörg Sommer
Hi Hamish, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 09:43:35AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: >> Do you know how many .desktop files in Debian use the categories >> Electronics or Engineering? If there are not enough to nicely populate a >> menu, it may be better to patch

Re: Generic "extra menus" package (was: Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion))

2008-01-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008, Peter Clifton wrote: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcjc2/debian/extra-menus_1.0-1.dsc http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcjc2/debian/extra-menus_1.0-1.diff.gz http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcjc2/debian/extra-menus_1.0.orig.tar.gz I'd appreciate it if those who were advocating this approac

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-14 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Charles Plessy wrote: If there are enough, there is a third way of having an optional menu: the Custom Debian Distribution. In the Debian-Med CDD, we have an extra "Med" menu, and which user gets it is configured through debconf. I might add the fact that this extra menu i

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-13 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 02:09:42PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt a écrit : > Unfortunately none of the top-level freedesktop categories fits either. We have the same problem with the scientific applications :( > > If there are enough, there is a third way of having an optional menu: > > the Custom Deb

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-13 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 09:43:35AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 07:34:21PM +, Peter Clifton a écrit : > > > > In gEDA, the .desktop files list "Electronics" and "Engineering" (both > > of which are sub-categories), and without an additional XML file > > describing a n

Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-13 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 07:34:21PM +, Peter Clifton a écrit : > > In gEDA, the .desktop files list "Electronics" and "Engineering" (both > of which are sub-categories), and without an additional XML file > describing a new menu, these applications will appear under "Others" > under gnome, or l

Generic "extra menus" package (was: Re: electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion))

2008-01-13 Thread Peter Clifton
On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 19:34 +, Peter Clifton wrote: > Joerg is advocating creating a package "xdg-extra-menus" to gather any > possible extra menus which could be installed by the user. I've spent a fair amount of time hacking on this, and have a result.. a package I'm calling "extra-menus" f

electronics-menu REJECTED (discussion)

2008-01-12 Thread Peter Clifton
Hi, Introduction and motivation: I'm seeking some discussion regarding adding extra menus for specific "niche" sub-categories of programs, such as Electronic design applications, Hamradio etc.. There exists a hamradiomenus package which adds a "Ham Radio" menu, and as a developer and user of Ele