Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> The ffmpeg library in debian is a problem case and probably should not >> be in there. That issue hasn't been decided yet and till then anything >> using it stays stuck. > > Really? Excellent then. I would expect that gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg, > recently up

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, Dec 21, 2005 at 03:21:07PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:56:30PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on th

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:56:30PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: >> Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely >> > process packages progressing through the NEW queue. >>

Re: I did ask, Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 03:03:54PM +0100, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > > 2) (if yes) do we need to remove MPEG decoding stuff? > Unsure, as I explained above and in earlier mails. It's a very difficult > question, and we don't have an answer on it yet. It would be really helpful if someone would

Re: I did ask, Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Mon, Dec 19, 2005 at 10:22:33AM +0100, A Mennucc wrote: > Dear Jeroen and everybody, > > here attached is an email I sent in September. > > Yes, I did ask to ftp-masters clarifications about your proposal in > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00997.html > and never received a re

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

actually, there was a response in Aug 2004, as in attachment A Mennucc wrote: > The oldest upload of 'mplayer' that I still find in my harddisk was > 'Wed Jul 23 10:44:54 2003' (see attachment) > > So 'mplayer' has been waiting in NEW queue for some response from > ftp-masters for 876 days (a

I did ask, Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Dear Jeroen and everybody, here attached is an email I sent in September. Yes, I did ask to ftp-masters clarifications about your proposal in http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00997.html and never received a reply. Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > While you indeed haven't got a later

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:08:52AM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > I *guess* mplayer could do likewise. > MPlayer was once very picky regarding the versions of ffmpeg that it does compile with. Moreover MPlayer want to link all core libraries together (

Re: etch release plan (was Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team)

sorry, I was remembering incorrectly the dates (and by no means meaning that I want the release to be 3 months later than what Steve announced) a. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A simple assurance that your package will be rejected from the NEW queue if no ftp-master approves it with

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> A simple assurance that your package will be rejected from the NEW queue >>> if no ftp-master approves it within 2 weeks would actually be a benefit. >> Why?

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> A simple assurance that your package will be rejected from the NEW queue >> if no ftp-master approves it within 2 weeks would actually be a benefit. > > Why? > > It seems like, if that's the way that you want

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 04:34:54PM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:30:15AM +, David Pashley wrote: > > On Dec 14, 2005 at 00:25, Anand Kumria praised the llamas by saying: > > > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely > > > process package

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A simple assurance that your package will be rejected from the NEW queue > if no ftp-master approves it within 2 weeks would actually be a benefit. Why? It seems like, if that's the way that you want the world to work, you could already just pretend tha

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 03:56:30PM +0100, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely > > process packages progressing through the NEW queue. > > > > [1]

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:30:15AM +, David Pashley wrote: >> 5.5 hours for a package to make it through NEW. I think you owe some >> people an apology. > > -> 8126 T Oct 25 Debian Installe ( 46) xmovie_1.9.13-0_i386.changes is N= > EW >10552

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 09:30:15AM +, David Pashley wrote: > On Dec 14, 2005 at 00:25, Anand Kumria praised the llamas by saying: > > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely > > process packages progressing through the NEW queue. > > > >

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > I explicitely said that stripping it > anyway will make the whole pondering on whether it can be in the > (source) package at all moot for the question whether mpeg encoding > would be legal to ship on ftp.debian.org. To the best of my knowledge, > mpeg encoding stuff

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I think it would be nice if the reasons for long-standing packages >hanging around in the NEW queue were documented publicly, but I do >think in these cases the maintainers actually know the reasons. Well, you're right in the case of Christian Marill

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Russ Allbery wrote: >Assuming that what you say above is correct and FFMPEG is the only issue >(and I have no reason to doubt you), And if it's not, it would be really nice if the ftpmasters let someone know. > I agree that xvidcap and ffmpeg >should be treated the same. However, that is not evid

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely > process packages progressing through the NEW queue. > > [1] > > I think you are an excellent example of people who are too busy for Debian. >

etch release plan (was Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team)

Hi, On Thursday 15 December 2005 18:06, A Mennucc wrote: > In my opinion, considering that the release of etch is 15 months away, Please don't consider this :) No matter whether it's a lack of knowledge or disbelieving in the etch release plan (a la "it's scheduled for december so it will becom

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 05:54:34PM +0100, A Mennucc wrote: > Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > > >On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:08:52AM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > > > > > >That would have been me: > > > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00997.html > > at that time, you wrote/ >

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 05:08:07PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > When one doesn't know, the right thing to do is frequently both not make > the problem worse and not overreact, meaning leaving ffmpeg in the archive > and xvidcap in NEW until the situation is clearly understood and resolved > is quit

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

A Mennucc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > BTW: I know that 'mplayer' has always been fishy business in Debian > but what did 'xvidcap' ever do wrong? AFAICT the only problem may be > that 'xvidcap' contains FFMPEG code ; but FFMPEG has been in Debian for > quite long now, so I do not really unde

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

A Mennucc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 1) people who express kudos to FTP-masters for express accepting new > packages due to the C++ name transitions > > 2) Anand Kumria and Thaddeus Black criticizing FTP-masters for never > addressing 'mplayer' 'xvidcap' 'rte' and such Once again, I think t

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:08:52AM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > But it is not doing a great job with processing a few old uploads. I > > consider it a problem that no decision have been taken on the few > > really old uploads (xvidcap, rte, mplayer). > > One

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On 12/15/05, Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If there is a serious risk that these people would so blatantly > disregard our constitution That certainly seems to be the case, judging from the discussion that followed Bdale's "Structural Evolution" Debconf5 talk[1] - here's a tran

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

hi I think that both sides are right: 1) people who express kudos to FTP-masters for express accepting new packages due to the C++ name transitions 2) Anand Kumria and Thaddeus Black criticizing FTP-masters for never addressing 'mplayer' 'xvidcap' 'rte' and such I can understand why nobody i

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I assume the DPL has been working in the background to try to resolve > this, as an public and open power struggle between the DPL and the > people in key privileged positions would soon become very ugly, and > affect the Debian project badly. How

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: >On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:08:52AM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > > >That would have been me: > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/04/msg00997.html > > > at that time, you wrote/ / /"So, adding these two tentative conclusions together, it seems likel

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Anand Kumria wrote: >I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely >process packages progressing through the NEW queue. > > [1] > >I think you are an excellent example of people who are too busy for Debian. > >I must say that I am pa

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

[Thaddeus H. Black] > 3. If James' imperial rules are unacceptable to us, then the > alternative is to change the person in James' position. It has > been years since any other option was credible. We all know > this. This means dismissing James from his fortified posts of >

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

"Thaddeus H. Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 3. If James' imperial rules are unacceptable to > us, then the alternative is to change the person > in James' position. It has been years since any > other option was credible. We all know this. > This means dismissing James

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

"Steinar H. Gunderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In my entire involvement with Debian from the development side, I've never > seen the NEW queue being processed as quickly as it is these days. It used to > be irritating to me -- it isn't today. I have the same feeling. I would rather give *g

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > If there are still open problems, the best thing would > be to communicate them as clearly as possible. If James Troup and Ryan Murray have made one thing abundantly clear, it is this: as a general rule, they will not communicate. Not clearly, not consistently, not but ra

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > I don't really care that much how it's implemented, as long as status > updates are given. Sure :) -- .''`. Follow the white Rabbit - Ranty (and Lewis Carroll) : :' : `. `' Proudly running unstable Debian GNU/Linux `- www.amayita.com w

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:08:52AM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > But it is not doing a great job with processing a few old uploads. I > > consider it a problem that no decision have been taken on the few > > really old uploads (xvidcap, rte, mplayer). > > One

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 14:27 +0100, Amaya wrote: > Every ITP opens a bug, every upload stalled in NEW should close it. > No need to extend anything, the BTS is where these comments belong, > IMHO. Packages can end up in NEW for other reasons, but for the cases that are currently the hot topic, tha

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > My proposal would be exactly like that: extend the NEW queue > information page with a comments field where FTP-master can add any > comments for packages that aren't approved or rejected when first > examined. It would just have to contain a quick note about the > problems

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 13:35 +0100, Olaf van der Spek wrote: > On 12/14/05, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Likewise for mozilla-firefox-adblock (2 months), new version of tidy (1 > > month), xplc (1 month), cvsconnect (1 month), cvssuck (1 month), libmpd (1 > > month); if there's

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On 12/14/05, Nathanael Nerode <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Likewise for mozilla-firefox-adblock (2 months), new version of tidy (1 > month), xplc (1 month), cvsconnect (1 month), cvssuck (1 month), libmpd (1 > month); if there's something wrong with each of these packages, the > packager should kn

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Yes, ftpmaster is getting efficient at the routine processing. Congrats! Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >> But it is not doing a great job with processing a few old uploads. I >> consider it a problem that no decision have been taken on the few >> really old uploads (xv

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > But it is not doing a great job with processing a few old uploads. I > consider it a problem that no decision have been taken on the few > really old uploads (xvidcap, rte, mplayer). One of the FTP masters (I forgot who) once said that the best way to help get mplaye

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

[Marc Haber] > Acknowledged. Debian might have problems, but NEW queue processing > surely isn't one of them (any more). I agree that the NEW processing is working quite well these days, and is no longer the source of much frustration in debian. The ftp-masters are doing a great job processing n

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Dec 14, 2005 at 00:25, Anand Kumria praised the llamas by saying: > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely > process packages progressing through the NEW queue. > > [1] > > I think you are an excellent example of people w

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, December 14, 2005 09:42, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote: > So, who knows. Not that xvidcap is critical for me, but it is somewhat > annoying to have it sitting there for no (declared) reason. While I generally agree with the other posters that NEW queue handling is going very well, I

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] > As this post indicates, it isn't just the ftp-master team failing Debian. Yeah, some Debian Developers suck a lot. Hm. The ftp-team is quite good in comparision, I'd say. Marc -- BOFH #208: Your mail is being routed through Germany ... and they'r

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 01:40:09AM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:25:03AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: > > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely > > process packages progressing through the NEW queue. > > > >

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:25:03 +1100, Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely >process packages progressing through the NEW queue. Acknowledged. Debian might have problems, but NEW queue processing surely isn't one of them (any

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On 12/14/05, Anand Kumria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [1]: As I write this 79 NEW packages, 85 total. With only four entries more than a month old I think it's doing fine, especially compared to other maintainers/teams that have bugs open months or years.

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:25:03AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: > > [1]: As I write this 79 NEW packages, 85 total. Then ftp-master must be really busy, since it's now 64, total 69. Also note that most of those packages in new aren't even a week in it, alot aren't even a day old. I think they're

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 02:00:09AM +0100, Sylvain Le Gall wrote: > Strange, 4 NEW packages processed in less than a week for me. I think it > is fast and not irritating. > > So, i really congratulate ftpmaster team. AOL. Moreover, they really show interest in what is being uploaded and they care

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Steinar H Gunderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't know the details of the three longest-running packages, but I > assume you asked an ftpmaster about those? Patent issues around video codecs, discussed on debian-devel ad nauseam over the past few years. It would be nice to eventually get

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

Hello, On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:25:03AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely > process packages progressing through the NEW queue. > > [1] > > I think you are an excellent example of people

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

* Anand Kumria [Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:25:03 +1100]: > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely > process packages progressing through the NEW queue. Agreed. Thanks, Anand, for reflecting the feeling of (I believe) most developers in the project with such a short a

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

> [Anand Kumria's sarcastic criticism of the ftp-master team removed] On the contrary, it seems to me that the ftp-master team is doing a fantastic job and has been for many months. They have stayed on top of the flurry of NEW packages generated by two series of library renames from two separate

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 11:25:03AM +1100, Anand Kumria wrote: > I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely > process packages progressing through the NEW queue. > > [1] > > I think you are an excellent example of people who are

congratulations to our ftp-master team

I'd like to congratulate our ftp-master team on their ability to timely process packages progressing through the NEW queue. [1] I think you are an excellent example of people who are too busy for Debian. I must say that I am particularly impressed that you