orig or not orig? (was: bogus lintian warning)

2005-10-03 Thread Frank Küster
Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Thomas Bushnell: > >> What do you think "orig" means in "orig.tar.gz"? > > At the moment, it's a sequence of four ASCII characters without any > particular meaning. Many maintainers use repackaged sources because > they want to include multiple tarbal

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-02 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sure you can. Lintian could (relatively) easily check whether the > problem is in the .orig.tar.gz before application of the Debian diff, > and suppress the message in that case. Better yet: Warn if (there are CVS directories in the .diff.gz) OR ((t

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > >> Easily caught: check to make sure the CVS files are not in the > >> .orig.tz before complaining. > > > > You keep assuming the bogus stu

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> No; it should not report uncorrectible warnings. > > *IT* *IS* *NOT* *UNCORRECTIBLE*. If you have a good reason to, you can and > > should correct it. You are just not supposed to do it

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 02 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> Easily caught: check to make sure the CVS files are not in the >> .orig.tz before complaining. > > You keep assuming the bogus stuff ends up in the diff. It once happened to > me that it en

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> No; it should not report uncorrectible warnings. > > *IT* *IS* *NOT* *UNCORRECTIBLE*. If you have a good reason to, you can and > should correct it. You are just not supposed to do it just to shut lintian > up, use an override for that.

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sun, 02 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Easily caught: check to make sure the CVS files are not in the > .orig.tz before complaining. You keep assuming the bogus stuff ends up in the diff. It once happened to me that it ended up on the .orig.tar.gz, but I don't recall exactly what kind o

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-02 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > dpkg-buildpackage in a cvs-checkout directory with strange things in the > parent dir, for example, because of test builds leaving weird shit on the > parent directory + lack of coffee + typing dpkg-buildpackage instead of > cvs-buildpackag

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 03:07:51AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Sat, 01 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > But lintian is not there to warn about unfixable problems with > > You cannot reliably determine wether the maintainer is doing something > stupid, or upstream is. Su

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-02 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Oct 01, 2005 at 06:59:19PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Or those who screw up and add it to a non-orig .orig.tar.gz (and by that I > >> do NOT mean a modified upstream one, I mean

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Sat, 01 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > >> But lintian is not there to warn about unfixable problems with > > > > You cannot reliably determine wether the maintainer is doing some

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, 01 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> But lintian is not there to warn about unfixable problems with > > You cannot reliably determine wether the maintainer is doing something > stupid, or upstream is. In which case, it certai

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:55:18 -0400, Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >If you want to maintain a package using cvs-buildpackage, you *have* > >to remove those files from the orig.tar.gz. > > Does that hold for debian/ only setups as well? It does

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > But lintian is not there to warn about unfixable problems with You cannot reliably determine wether the maintainer is doing something stupid, or upstream is. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:55:18 -0400, Eric Dorland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If you want to maintain a package using cvs-buildpackage, you *have* >to remove those files from the orig.tar.gz. Does that hold for debian/ only setups as well? Greetings Marc -- --

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Don Armstrong wrote: >> It's not really a bogus warning; the point of it is so that you're >> aware so that you can remind upstream not to distribute CVS files in >> their tarballs. > > Isn't getting nasty CVS directories in the source tree that you work > o

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 01 Oct 2005, Eric Dorland wrote: > If you want to maintain a package using cvs-buildpackage, you *have* > to remove those files from the orig.tar.gz. This is false. cvs-upgrade -F and cvs-inject -F solves your problem. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Eric Dorland
* Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus. > > I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs. But > sometimes they do. > > When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove it from > the orig.tar.gz file.

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Joey Hess
Don Armstrong wrote: > It's not really a bogus warning; the point of it is so that you're > aware so that you can remind upstream not to distribute CVS files in > their tarballs. Isn't getting nasty CVS directories in the source tree that you work on while maintaining the package reminder enough t

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Roger Leigh
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>> It does make sense to warn against Debian developers who have *added* >>> a CVS directory not present in the upstream source, but that's a >>> different matter. >> >> Or those who screw

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And lintian does pester about outdated config.sub/guess, etc. These > warnings are useful from time to time. Those problems can be fixed without violating Debian rules too. :) >> It does make sense to warn against Debian developers who h

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Laszlo Boszormenyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove it from > >> the orig.tar.gz file. So there is no question of doing that. > > > Where do you read that? May be true, but can't remem

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Christian Perrier
> You may decide that removing the CVS files from the orig is worse than > having them there,[1] but it doesn't excuse the fact that having them > there is bad (or at least stupid.) It also helps a lot when *we*, as upstream for native packages, inadvertently include a CVS or .svn directory in an

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus. > > I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs. But > sometimes they do. > > So, it's a bogus warning. It should be removed from lintian. It's not really a bogus warning; the po

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-10-01 Thread Florian Weimer
* Thomas Bushnell: > What do you think "orig" means in "orig.tar.gz"? At the moment, it's a sequence of four ASCII characters without any particular meaning. Many maintainers use repackaged sources because they want to include multiple tarballs in their source packages, even though there's no ne

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-09-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus. > >> I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs. But >> sometimes they do. > > It's still useful for native packages, so it isn't c

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-09-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Laszlo Boszormenyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 23:34 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove it from >> the orig.tar.gz file. So there is no question of doing that. > Where do you read that? May be true, but can'

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-09-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Laszlo Boszormenyi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove it from >> the orig.tar.gz file. So there is no question of doing that. > Where do you read that? May be true, but can't remember any place ATM. What do you think "orig" means in "or

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-09-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus. > I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs. But > sometimes they do. It's still useful for native packages, so it isn't completely bogus even if one agrees with the point ab

Re: bogus lintian warning

2005-09-30 Thread Laszlo Boszormenyi
On Fri, 2005-09-30 at 23:34 -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus. It is not. > I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs. But > sometimes they do. Unfortunately. > When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove

bogus lintian warning

2005-09-30 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
The lintian warning source-contains-CVS-dir is bogus. I agree that upstream should not put CVS in their tarballs. But sometimes they do. When they do, it is a violation of Debian standards to remove it from the orig.tar.gz file. So there is no question of doing that. If you remove the CVS fil