Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
Marcelo E. Magallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alternatives, as I understood them, have to be command line compatible > because a situation like the one I just described is not desirable. Alternatives have to be command line compatible, but that means you need a defined interface that they all s

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 05:30:26AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 10:53:36AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > > (add a "xterm -sl 500 -sb -ls -fn 10x20 -j &" line before the exec if you > > Wow, that's a mighty Byzantine xterm line. But to each his own. :) Well, it's on

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 10:53:36AM +0100, Enrique Zanardi wrote: > (add a "xterm -sl 500 -sb -ls -fn 10x20 -j &" line before the exec if you Wow, that's a mighty Byzantine xterm line. But to each his own. :) -- G. Branden Robinson |If you make people think they're Purdue Un

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:58:47PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > So I go to all the trouble of drafting a proposal for > register-window-manager, and even start coding it, and you guys don't want > to use it? > > *sigh* Let's use our existing tools if possible. You are doing a wonderful work w

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Wed, Apr 29, 1998 at 11:40:17AM +0200, Falk Hueffner wrote: > Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Remember, /etc/X11/window-managers is *only* used if the person using > > startx or logging in with XDM has no ~/.xsession file, which I image most > > experienced X users have. > >

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Falk Hueffner
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Remember, /etc/X11/window-managers is *only* used if the person using > startx or logging in with XDM has no ~/.xsession file, which I image most > experienced X users have. Will there be a way for a user to change his wm without copying over the who

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 10:53:22PM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: > Okay, it's a good thing you brought that up then. Does Branden's > proposal include support for this? Perhaps I need to go back and read > it better, but I don't remember anything about command-line options. Branden proposes the exist

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Ben Pfaff
So I go to all the trouble of drafting a proposal for register-window-manager, and even start coding it, and you guys don't want to use it? Don't overreact. Marcelo just brought up what may be a valid point. Does either proposal include support for varying default command-line options fo

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Branden Robinson
So I go to all the trouble of drafting a proposal for register-window-manager, and even start coding it, and you guys don't want to use it? *sigh* All right, if we can weather the inevitable religious flame war about which what the default priority for each window manager should be, I'll implemen

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Marcelo E. Magallon wrote: > (predepend, isn't it?) Given the binaries provided by xbase -- BTW, some of No, predepends would be used if the ore-inst needs the package, since the post inst is what uses it there is no need. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Ben Pfaff
> Actually I like that a lot better myself. Could we do it that way > instead, Branden? Uh, I've never played with alternatives before. Would someone care to flesh out this proposal? Okay, here we go: /usr/bin/sensible-window-manager (or whatever) is a symlink to one of the install

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: > Uh, I've never played with alternatives before. Would someone care to > flesh out this proposal? Sure.. make all window managers that would previously register themselves in /etc/X11/window-managers instead register themselves as an alternative providing /usr/X11R6/bin/w

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 08:54:18PM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: >> Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window >> manager? So postinst scripts would run it like this: >> >>register-window-manager pathname priority > >You know, this looks like a job for upd

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Ben Pfaff
> Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window > manager? So postinst scripts would run it like this: > >register-window-manager pathname priority You know, this looks like a job for update-alternatives. Maybe we should have a /usr/X11R6/bin/sensible-win

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager FWIW, 2 and 4 conflict. I think it's in policy now (or soon will be) that a package cannot modify any conffi

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Ben Pfaff wrote: > Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window > manager? So postinst scripts would run it like this: > >register-window-manager pathname priority You know, this looks like a job for update-alternatives. Maybe we should have a /usr/X11R6/bin/sensible-wind

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-29 Thread Joey Hess
Branden Robinson wrote: > /etc/X11/window-managers is created in xbase's postinst iff the file does > not already exist. > > Elimination of behavior like this is on my List. > > The long-term plan is: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separat

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 05:36:03PM +0200, Yann Dirson wrote: > > The long-term plan is: > > > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > > 2) mark it as a conffile > > 3) separate twm into its own package > > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager > > I don't think shippin

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 04:23:34PM +0100, Mark Baker wrote: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > > 2) mark it as a conffile > > So you don't think other packages---such as the window managers---should > modify it? It's considered Bad Practice for a package to go about muckin

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 11:19:36AM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: >Branden Robinson writes: > > The long-term plan is: > > > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > > 2) mark it as a conffile > > 3) separate twm into its own package > > 4) write /usr/sbin/regi

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 09:52:07AM -0400, Ben Pfaff wrote: >register-window-manager [pathname] > with no arguments, enters interactive mode > with one pathname argument, invokes interactive mode with "add" action > and pathname already done, thus prompting for priority (see below

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Mark Baker
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:26:37AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile So you don't think other packages---such as the window managers---should modify it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Ben Pfaff
Branden Robinson writes: > The long-term plan is: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager I don't think shipping an empty file, and marking

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Yann Dirson
Branden Robinson writes: > The long-term plan is: > > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager I don't think shipping an empty file, and marking it as a conffile, would

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Ben Pfaff
register-window-manager [pathname] with no arguments, enters interactive mode with one pathname argument, invokes interactive mode with "add" action and pathname already done, thus prompting for priority (see below) Could we instead have a default priority assigned to each window

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Tue, Apr 28, 1998 at 01:26:37AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > 1) ship an empty /etc/X11/window-managers with xbase > 2) mark it as a conffile > 3) separate twm into its own package thanks!!! > 4) write /usr/sbin/register-window-manager > > register-window-manager [pathname] > [...] >

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Marcelo E. Magallon
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:11:12PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > I was just setting up a new install and ran into the problem of wmaker > configuring itself before /etc/X11/window-managers existed, it's postinst > bombed. This was reported as a bug, and it is fixed on 0.14.1-4, is it not?!? (I

Re: X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Apr 27, 1998 at 11:11:12PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > I was just setting up a new install and ran into the problem of wmaker > configuring itself before /etc/X11/window-managers existed, it's postinst > bombed. > > I presume some X package creates this file since dpkg can't find it, t

X and Window Mangers

1998-04-28 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
I was just setting up a new install and ran into the problem of wmaker configuring itself before /etc/X11/window-managers existed, it's postinst bombed. I presume some X package creates this file since dpkg can't find it, this also means that every window manager has a dependency on that package