On Mi, 22 iun 11, 22:06:53, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> On 06/22/2011 08:10 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > The various *dm packages do this quite well in my experience and I don't
> > see any -common package.
>
> which is extremely stupid in every way there is (code duplication, l10n
> dublication, et
On 06/22/2011 08:10 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> The various *dm packages do this quite well in my experience and I don't
> see any -common package.
which is extremely stupid in every way there is (code duplication, l10n
dublication, etc.).
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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 09:08:01PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 05:07:52AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > And the first behaviour is
> > definitely the correct default, as installing a boot loader package
> > almost always means yo
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 05:07:52AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> And the first behaviour is
> definitely the correct default, as installing a boot loader package
> almost always means you want to install the boot loader in the boot
> sector.
The boot secto
On Mi, 22 iun 11, 13:37:35, Daniel Baumann wrote:
>
> but there should be only one bootloader at the time be allowed to write
> itself automatically (upon updates) to the systems mbr, which is why
> i've talked with colin about that debconf proposing to create a
> bootloader-common package (or wha
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Didier Raboud wrote:
> could win32-loader (either in it's "CD" or in its "standalone (on mirrors)"
> version) help to setup this ? If so, a detailed bug would be appreciated.
Will need to think about it a bit (and the box I do this on is having
disk errors), perha
On 06/22/2011 03:07 AM, YunQiang Su wrote:
>> Did you? Try 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' ;)
>>
> yes it works. BUT:
>
> When installing, user will usually install grub in MBR or they have
> no choice to set it when install (install from LiveCD).
If you install with a low debconf priority, or use p
Le mercredi, 22 juin 2011 12.01:08, Paul Wise a écrit :
> My strategy with Windows is to let it have the MBR and use Debian's
> setup.exe to create an item for Debian in the Windows boot menu and
> chainload Debian grub-pc from the Windows grub installed by setup.exe.
> Seems to work find even thou
On 06/22/2011 01:20 PM, Evgeni Golov wrote:
> I e.g. have extlinux installed as a package, but not in the mbr (for
> preparing bootable usb drives with unetbootin).
> The same might apply for grub(.*) because you want to create a bootable
> efi disk while your machine has pc bios and vice versa.
a
On 06/22/2011 06:07 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> More packages means more user confusion. And the first behaviour is
> definitely the correct default, as installing a boot loader package
> almost always means you want to install the boot loader in the boot
> sector.
>
> What is your use case for th
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:57 PM, michael kapelko wrote:
> Windows writes to MBR no matter what. Mac OS X does it too, I guess?
> Because of Windows, I always install Linux after Windows. I guess
> there's no way around here, Windows doesn't detect Linux anyway. I
> don't know if Mac OS X does it.
2011/6/22 YunQiang Su :
> Yes, if only for Linux distro, it can be done like this.
> Then if there are Windows and Mac OS X?
Windows writes to MBR no matter what. Mac OS X does it too, I guess?
Because of Windows, I always install Linux after Windows. I guess
there's no way around here, Windows do
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 05:07:52AM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:33 +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
> > When update to grub-pc 1.99-8, it write my MBR, then I report a bug.
> >
> > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631224
> >
> > and Colin Watson tell me that it
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 03:09:12PM +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
> When installing, user will usually install grub in MBR or they have no
> choice to set it when install (install from LiveCD).
If you mean the Ubuntu live CD, IIRC it does have an option for this
although only when you're doing manual p
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 02:26:31PM +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
> But once upgrade Ubuntu, the MBR is taken place, and once then upgrade
> Debian, it's back.
'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' on the Ubuntu side, then - it's not that
complicated.
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On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 02:06:13PM +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
> grub-pc will write MBR every time when triggered,
grub-pc does not use any dpkg triggers.
> and grub-pc-bin will not update grub entry after the kernel is
> updated. - It is weird when you have grub installed to an alternative
> place, th
The second behavior means that: when update/reinstall grub or
update/install/reinstall kernel will call update-grub but not call
grub-install.
What if the updated grub is incompatible with the bootloader installed
by a previous version of grub?
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> I suspect you should have grub installed in a single distro only,
> e.g., only Debian, or only Ubuntu. Since there's only one MBR, thre's
> only one bootloader, you don't need to have it in every distro.
>
>
Yes, if only for Linux distro, it can be done like this.
Then if there are Windows and
2011/6/22 YunQiang Su :
>
> now I installed one Debian Sid/Experimental and an Ubuntu 11.10.
> I perfer Debian to take control my MBR.
>
> But once upgrade Ubuntu, the MBR is taken place, and once then upgrade
> Debian, it's back.
>
> I hate this behavior.
>
> I believe that the MBR must be taken c
> What if the updated grub is incompatible with the bootloader installed by a
> previous version of grub?
>
If so, it should not be called grub2 again.
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> Did you? Try 'dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' ;)
>
yes it works. BUT:
When installing, user will usually install grub in MBR or they have no
choice to set it when install (install from LiveCD).
and I can not find out any necessity to run grub-install every time.
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On Mi, 22 iun 11, 14:06:13, Aron Xu wrote:
>
> grub-pc will write MBR every time when triggered, and grub-pc-bin will
> not update grub entry after the kernel is updated. - It is weird when
> you have grub installed to an alternative place, then you upgrade a
> package and it write MBR regardless
> Maybe what needs to be fixed is grub not writing to your “alternative
> place”?
>
now I installed one Debian Sid/Experimental and an Ubuntu 11.10.
I perfer Debian to take control my MBR.
But once upgrade Ubuntu, the MBR is taken place, and once then upgrade
Debian, it's back.
I hate this behav
On mer., 2011-06-22 at 14:06 +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
> > What is your use case for the second behaviour?
> >
>
> grub-pc will write MBR every time when triggered, and grub-pc-bin will
> not update grub entry after the kernel is updated. - It is weird when
> you have grub installed to an alternative
On mer., 2011-06-22 at 14:10 +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
> > What is your use case for the second behaviour?
> >
> The second behavior means that: when update/reinstall grub or
> update/install/reinstall kernel will call update-grub but not call
> grub-install.
Let me rephrase what Ben asked: why
> On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:33 +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
>> When update to grub-pc 1.99-8, it write my MBR, then I report a bug.
>>
>> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631224
>>
>> and Colin Watson tell me that it's a new feature.
>> Y, it maybe, he tell to install grub-pc-bin only,
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:07, Ben Hutchings wrote:
>
> More packages means more user confusion. And the first behaviour is
> definitely the correct default, as installing a boot loader package
> almost always means you want to install the boot loader in the boot
> sector.
>
> What is your use ca
On Wed, 2011-06-22 at 11:33 +0800, YunQiang Su wrote:
> When update to grub-pc 1.99-8, it write my MBR, then I report a bug.
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631224
>
> and Colin Watson tell me that it's a new feature.
> Y, it maybe, he tell to install grub-pc-bin only, but t
When update to grub-pc 1.99-8, it write my MBR, then I report a bug.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=631224
and Colin Watson tell me that it's a new feature.
Y, it maybe, he tell to install grub-pc-bin only, but this package has
no kernel hook even.
Here is my suggestion:
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