On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:23:43AM -0700, Matt Taggart wrote:
> In the "Rambling apt-get ideas" thread, Vince Mulhollon writes ...
>
> > Use a apt-get client to remotely mess with another workstations packages.
> > Messing with only one workstation at a time is boring. How about multicast
> > to
Ben Collins writes ...
> You are missing the fact that the old package does not understand that
> the new package possibly setup some things (configuration settings,
> diversions, symlinks, removal of cruft, alternatives) that it cannot
> recover from. You are missing the fact that it is not as s
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:37:21PM +0100, Goswin Brederlow wrote:
> Apart from that, anyone who cares what version to use must use the
> full path to the binary or a versioned name, like /bin/bash-2.04-1.
>
> I would like binaries to be compiled to reside in versioned
> directories but I also see
> " " == Thorsten Wilmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello Petr Èech wrote:
>> Adam Lazur wrote:
>>> The ability to install more than one version of a package
>>> simultaneously.
>> Hmm. SO you install bash 2.04-1 and bash 2.02-3. Now what will
>> be /bin/bash 2.04
Hello
Petr Èech wrote:
>Adam Lazur wrote:
>> The ability to install more than one version of a package simultaneously.
>
>Hmm. SO you install bash 2.04-1 and bash 2.02-3. Now what will be /bin/bash
>2.04 or 2.02 version? You will divert both of them and symlink it to the old
>name - maybe, but but
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Adi Stav wrote:
> I've had similar thoughts, and I thought that perhaps some of
> functions of installation scripts can be replaced by hook scripts that
> dpkg would run.
Something like this is planned for dpkg 1.9, currently in development in cvs.
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On Wed, Jan 03, 2001 at 03:40:21PM +0100, Laurent Martelli wrote:
> /usr/doc - /usr/share/doc transition problems are one consequence of
> this. If files were tagged according to some high level criterions, it
> would be easier to put change the physical location during
> installation. Setting the
> "Bam" == Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Dwayne" == Dwayne C Litzenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Dwayne> So my question is: What do you wish for in a package
Dwayne> manager?
Run fast, and do not do things like update-something twice when
upgrading several packag
On Fri, Dec 29, 2000 at 11:47:44PM +, Mark Seaborn wrote:
> They are unrelated if they do not need to communicate (as an
> example). If they do not need to communicate, they may as well run on
> different machines, in which case they can use different versions of
> libc. But I want to be abl
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 11:23:24PM +, Mark Seaborn wrote:
> They are unrelated if they do not need to communicate (as an
> example). If they do not need to communicate, they may as well run on
> different machines, in which case they can use different versions of
> libc. But I want to be abl
On Thu, Dec 28, 2000 at 11:23:24PM +, Mark Seaborn wrote:
> As I suggested before, it would be easy if different processes could
> have different views on the filesystem. This is feasible on the
> Hurd. Linux is not as flexible, unfortunately.
There are a few ways to do it, but I guess it is
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 01:03:03AM +, Mark Seaborn wrote:
>
> > Of course. I know this. It is repeated many times on this mailing
> > list. But it does not have to be so. Why should upgrading package X
> > affect unrelated package Y? If one use
Hi
Hamish Moffatt schrieb:
> Package X and package Y are not truely unrelated if they share any
> dynamic libraries, though, eg libc.
>
> So do you have any suggestion as to how this could actually be
> implemented? Even if it's actually desirable (which I dispute),
> implementation seems far fro
On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 01:03:03AM +, Mark Seaborn wrote:
> Of course. I know this. It is repeated many times on this mailing
> list. But it does not have to be so. Why should upgrading package X
> affect unrelated package Y? If one user wants to use packages from
Package X and package Y
On Tue, Dec 26, 2000 at 09:30:13PM +1030, Matthew Tuck wrote:
> - if my apt download was terminated halfway through and I have no
> internet time left, I would still get to install my fully downloaded
> packages without messing around with dpkg and trying to work out the
> dependencies manually
ap
Sorry if I'm a bit late to the party, but I'm going to look into doing
something similiar to what Dwayne's doing, with a heavy Java slant. Anyway,
I wrote up a wishlist of sorts here :
http://www.devel.e-plagiarism.com/~entropy/proposals/jam.html
The ideas seem sound, but I haven't had too many p
Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 08:41:43PM +, Mark Seaborn wrote:
> > I want a system where I can install multiple versions of a library
> > (or any package really) and say which version I want each program
> > on the system to use, possibly on a per-user b
* Dwayne C . Litzenberger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [001223 22:47]:
> Hello!
>
> I'm starting work on a new linux package manager. The idea is to be able to
> replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch
> and designed to be as simple (code, not features) and clean as
Just one simple small thing for me, please: An installer that is smart
enough to realize that it is about to overflow the disc, so it deletes
any .deb files that have been downloaded and already installed. (This
bit me once while doing an install over PPP.)
Cheers,
Richard
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"Dwayne C . Litzenberger" wrote:
> I'm starting work on a new linux package manager. The idea is to be able to
> replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch
> and designed to be as simple (code, not features) and clean as possible. For
> now, the work will be s
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 08:41:43PM +, Mark Seaborn wrote:
> "Dwayne C . Litzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?
>
> I want a system where I can install multiple versions of a library (or
> any package really) and say which
Jeffry Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> download the source, have my machine do the compile, but still have
> all the dependencies properly worked out (sort of an expanded apt-get
> -b source).
I guess you should get both the ordinary depends and the
build-depends. I fail to see where there sh
On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Petr Èech wrote:
> > Some intelligence for handling multiple machines. Like the ability to nfs
> > mount /usr and have the package manager understand what's going on.
>
> sounds like something like --exclude /usr (didn't doogie implement this in 1.8
> branch?)
No, this is de
Adam Lazur wrote:
> The ability to install more than one version of a package simultaneously.
Hmm. SO you install bash 2.04-1 and bash 2.02-3. Now what will be /bin/bash
2.04 or 2.02 version? You will divert both of them and symlink it to the old
name - maybe, but but how will you know, to what na
> "exa" == exa writes:
exa> You need to devise a package description/configuration
exa> language that is declarative rather than procedural.
exa> What comes to my mind would be some sort of "logical
exa> language", maybe something based on Prolog. That the
exa> statement
Another thing I would like is something like the BSD "ports" -
download the source, have my machine do the compile, but still have
all the dependencies properly worked out (sort of an expanded apt-get
-b source).
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Brian May wrote:
>
> 2. Get rid of maintainer scripts (don't ask me how...) so that
> upgrading packages is guaranteed not to destroy your computer, even if
> the package came an from untrusted source. This could be carried
> further by saying "no daemons can be started by UID=root without
> expre
> "Dwayne" == Dwayne C Litzenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Dwayne> Hello! I'm starting work on a new linux package manager.
Dwayne> The idea is to be able to replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect
Dwayne> (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch and
Dwayne> designed to be
Hi
Mark Seaborn schrieb:
> I want a system where I can install multiple versions of a library (or
> any package really) and say which version I want each program on the
> system to use, possibly on a per-user basis. The present system is a
> disaster waiting to happen: If I install a package fro
"Dwayne C . Litzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?
I want a system where I can install multiple versions of a library (or
any package really) and say which version I want each program on the
system to use, possibly on a per-user b
"Dwayne C . Litzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>-- On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 11:44:13AM -0500, Adam Lazur wrote:
>> Dwayne C . Litzenberger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
>> > So my question is: What do you wish for in a package
manager?
>>
>> Relocatable packages so a user can do an individual pac
Joseph Carter wrote:
>
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 07:54:00PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > personally the plain text database is one of dpkg's greatest assets.
> > its a royal pain to repair a binary database when it gets fscked. and
> > yes i have already been saved from a total reinstall throug
* Ethan Benson
| personally the plain text database is one of dpkg's greatest assets.
| its a royal pain to repair a binary database when it gets fscked. and
| yes i have already been saved from a total reinstall through the
| ability to fix dpkg's broken database with a text editor.
semi-intel
On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 10:47:00PM -0600, Dwayne C . Litzenberger wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I'm starting work on a new linux package manager. The idea is to be able to
> replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch
> and designed to be as simple (code, not features) an
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 07:54:00PM -0900, Ethan Benson wrote:
> personally the plain text database is one of dpkg's greatest assets.
> its a royal pain to repair a binary database when it gets fscked. and
> yes i have already been saved from a total reinstall through the
> ability to fix dpkg's br
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 02:21:51PM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:52:47AM +0100, Sami Dalouche wrote:
> > If I had to change something in the Debian package manager, I would
> > like it to use bzip2 instead of gzip, but this doesn't need a
> > omplete reimplementation. T
"Dwayne C . Litzenberger" wrote:
> I wrote..
> >
> > It should be re-usable as a library for implementing packages/modules
> > for PLs·
>
> Erm, now I'm getting confused. I assume you mean that this package manager
> should also be a framework for loadable modules. Isn't that way outsi
> open up a co-ordination page on sourceforge and start a public design
> process. do not stick to a religious idea like "it should be written
> in C, or in perl".
I don't know. I've seem a number of projects fail because they spent too much
time on discussion and didn't ever get down to business
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 11:44:13AM -0500, Adam Lazur wrote:
> Dwayne C . Litzenberger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
> > So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?
>
> Relocatable packages so a user can do an individual package install into ~
> without being r00t (this may be possibl
Today, Wichert Akkerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Previously John Hasler wrote:
>> Undo.
> dpkg will support rollback at some point, when reiserfs supports
> transactions.
Even then, I imagine it to be difficult. What about installs that cross
filesystem boundaries, etc. Either you'd have to h
On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote:
> Joseph Carter wrote:
> >
> > I think if dpkg used some sort of hashed database index it would be a hell
> > of a lot nicer to people's CPUs and memory. Whether or not that requires
> > a re-implemenetation of dpkg or not isn't for me to say since
Joseph Carter wrote:
>
> I think if dpkg used some sort of hashed database index it would be a hell
> of a lot nicer to people's CPUs and memory. Whether or not that requires
> a re-implemenetation of dpkg or not isn't for me to say since I haven't
> looked at dpkg's code in 3 years.
That smells
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:52:47AM +0100, Sami Dalouche wrote:
> If I had to change something in the Debian package manager, I would
> like it to use bzip2 instead of gzip, but this doesn't need a
> omplete reimplementation. The problem isn't technical, but it's been
> debated many times. I don'
Federico Di Gregorio writes:
> or am i missing something?
In addition to the things Ben mentioned, dependencies and broken
installs.
--
John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
Dwayne C . Litzenberger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said:
> So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?
Relocatable packages so a user can do an individual package install into ~
without being r00t (this may be possible now with some dpkg foo?).
The ability to install more than one vers
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 04:10:43PM +0100, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Ben Collins's letter:
> > On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:50:41PM +0100, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> > > Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Wichert Akkerman's letter:
> > > > Previously John
Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Ben Collins's letter:
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:50:41PM +0100, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> > Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Wichert Akkerman's letter:
> > > Previously John Hasler wrote:
> > > > Undo.
> > >
> > > dpkg will support rollback at some po
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 03:50:41PM +0100, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
> Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Wichert Akkerman's letter:
> > Previously John Hasler wrote:
> > > Undo.
> >
> > dpkg will support rollback at some point, when reiserfs supports
> > transactions.
>
> that's completely c
Scavenging the mail folder uncovered Wichert Akkerman's letter:
> Previously John Hasler wrote:
> > Undo.
>
> dpkg will support rollback at some point, when reiserfs supports
> transactions.
that's completely crazy. will you force anybody who wants rollback to
use raiserfs? generic applications
Previously John Hasler wrote:
> Undo.
dpkg will support rollback at some point, when reiserfs supports
transactions.
Wichert.
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"Dwayne C . Litzenberger" wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I'm starting work on a new linux package manager. The idea is to be able to
> replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch
> and designed to be as simple (code, not features) and clean as possible. For
> now, the wo
Dwayne C. Litzenberger writes:
> So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?
Undo.
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John Hasler
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, Wisconsin
"Dwayne C . Litzenberger" wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I'm starting work on a new linux package manager. The idea is to be able to
> replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch
> and designed to be as simple (code, not features) and clean as possible. For
> now, the
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:18:09AM +0100, Peter Makholm wrote:
> "Dwayne C . Litzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?
>
> I agree with Ethan. Start explaining why you want to reinvent the
> wheel then we maybe has some ideas fo
On Sun, Dec 24, 2000 at 09:52:47AM +0100, Sami Dalouche wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> > > So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?
> >
> > I agree with Ethan. Start explaining why you want to reinvent the
> > wheel then we maybe has some ideas for things to do when you
> > reinventin
Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the debian packaging system answered most things i want from a
> packaging system. what exactly is missing/wrong with the debian
> packaging system that makes you feel the need for wheel reinvention?
I also cannot see anything wrong with the Debian packag
Hi guys,
> > So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?
>
> I agree with Ethan. Start explaining why you want to reinvent the
> wheel then we maybe has some ideas for things to do when you
> reinventing for other reasons.
If I had to change something in the Debian package mana
"Dwayne C . Litzenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So my question is: What do you wish for in a package manager?
I agree with Ethan. Start explaining why you want to reinvent the
wheel then we maybe has some ideas for things to do when you
reinventing for other reasons.
The only feature I'v
On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 10:47:00PM -0600, Dwayne C . Litzenberger wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I'm starting work on a new linux package manager. The idea is to be able to
> replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch
> and designed to be as simple (code, not features) an
Hello!
I'm starting work on a new linux package manager. The idea is to be able to
replace rpm, dpkg, apt, dselect (backend) with one,written mostly from scratch
and designed to be as simple (code, not features) and clean as possible. For
now, the work will be strictly academic, but if it works
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