[CUSTOM] Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread cobaco
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2003-12-03 05:08, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > To the extent that they are self-supporting, they become economically > irrelevant to a commerical distribution or to a support provider of > UserLinux. The best that you will get out of these customers are

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread Bruce Perens
Theodore Ts'o wrote: Why does Group 1 really care about running under Linux, as opposed to some other OS? Is it really about price sensitivity? If so, it's surprising because to the extent that they pay $50,000 for Oracle, or $1,000,000+ for SAP R/3, why should they care about the cost of

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread Cameron Patrick
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 08:24:09AM +0100, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: | > This is the Proprietary software model, with artificial, government | > imposed (via copyright laws) monopolies, resulting in customer lock-in | > and price maximization. | | I dont see a monopol, at least no government imposed.

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 04:36:18PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > How many financials implementations are ultimately needed - really only > one, perhaps customized for vertical markets. A healthy market requires competition. And different companies have very different needs. The IT Infrastructure

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 11:12, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:04:31PM +, bruce wrote: > > > I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at > > > http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while. > &g

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Wed, 2003-12-03 at 15:08, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > > I don't deny that many businesses do have to come to their vendor on > > bended knee to get support for a new platform. It's important, however, > > to realize that this does indi

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > I don't deny that many businesses do have to come to their vendor on > bended knee to get support for a new platform. It's important, however, > to realize that this does indicate a problem in the customer's > relationship with the

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > So, our problem is how to rebalance the vendor-customer relationship for > our purposes. Probably the most useful tool is the industry group > organization, where a number of similar businesses get together to steer > their particip

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Marc Singer
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 04:52:47PM -0800, Bruce Perens wrote: > So, our problem is how to rebalance the vendor-customer relationship for > our purposes. Probably the most useful tool is the industry group > organization, where a number of similar businesses get together to steer > their particip

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Bruce Perens
x27;o wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:04:31PM +, bruce wrote: I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while. This is an interesting white paper, but I think i

Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Theodore Ts'o
> On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:04:31PM +, bruce wrote: > > I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at > > http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while. This is an interesting white paper, but I think it's missing som

OOPS!: Re: UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Bruce Perens
That's userlinux.com . I don't have the .org, some domain squatter has that. Thanks Bruce On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 12:04:31PM +, bruce wrote: > I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at > http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I

UserLinux white paper

2003-12-02 Thread Bruce Perens
I did a first pass at the UserLinux white paper, it's at http://userlinux.org/white_paper.html. I think I'll sleep for a while. Thanks Bruce