Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-12 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:52:30PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 09/09/09 at 16:18 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:04:16PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > Choosing CC BY-SA would nicely conflict with our existing documentation, > > > like the Debian new mainta

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 11:33:54PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > OK, let's try to change the way it is maintained by moving to something > similar to policy. Several questions need to be addressed. > - Where should discussions occur? Should we re-use debian-policy@, since > both documents are

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 09/09/09 at 16:18 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:04:16PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Choosing CC BY-SA would nicely conflict with our existing documentation, > > like the Debian new maintainer guide (GPL2+) or developers-reference > > (GPL2+). Wouldn't it be p

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:04:16PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Choosing CC BY-SA would nicely conflict with our existing documentation, > like the Debian new maintainer guide (GPL2+) or developers-reference > (GPL2+). Wouldn't it be possible to use CC BY-SA with an additional > clause allowing t

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 09/09/09 at 21:43 +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Mittwoch, 9. September 2009, Jon Dowland wrote: > >> If this was a popular choice (which it doesn't appear to > >> be); it would be blocked on sorting out the wiki.d.o > >> content licensing.

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Mittwoch, 9. September 2009, Jon Dowland wrote: >> If this was a popular choice (which it doesn't appear to >> be); it would be blocked on sorting out the wiki.d.o >> content licensing. > > No. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Mittwoch, 9. September 2009, Jon Dowland wrote: > If this was a popular choice (which it doesn't appear to > be); it would be blocked on sorting out the wiki.d.o > content licensing. No. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Lenny has a very fine and sosorted licence situation. A

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Jon Dowland
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 06:28:11PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > I see some value to a (mostly) self-contained > documentation, but, if it helps getting contributions from > more people, we could simply move to wiki.d.o. If this was a popular choice (which it doesn't appear to be); it would be bl

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 09/09/09 at 12:42 +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > Heya, > > As I'm one of the people who have at some point volunteered to help with > the dev-ref, but mostly failed to actually do work, I guess I could say > a few words, without any pretense of actually knowing better than all > the oth

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 12:42:22PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > > (A) Purely informational documentation of Debian infrastructure and > > procedures. > > This is the easiest kind of content. Once correctness has been verified, > > not much debate can happen about the information. > Shoul

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-09 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Heya, As I'm one of the people who have at some point volunteered to help with the dev-ref, but mostly failed to actually do work, I guess I could say a few words, without any pretense of actually knowing better than all the other people who have already commented... Lucas Nussbaum writes: > OK,

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-08 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 08 Sep 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > - Where should discussions occur? Should we re-use debian-policy@, since > both documents are a bit related? Or use another list? I would > personally prefer to use another list (-policy@ is already quite > busy), but I could be convinced to use -p

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-08 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 07/09/09 at 16:01 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > One thing I didn't say before is that, /in theory/, I'm willing to help with > maintenance of the devref package if the problem of public-by-default change > process is addressed. I didn't mention this because I don't want to mislead > anyone int

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-08 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 09:18:40AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > One thing I didn't say before is that, /in theory/, I'm willing to > > help with maintenance of the devref package if the problem of > > public-by-default change process is addressed. I didn't mention > > this because I don't

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-08 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 04:01:31PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > I think it's a good idea, at least it's worth trying. That should however > > not mean that only delegated policy editors can maintain the package... > > maintainership should still be relatively open like it has always been. > > I

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-07 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Lucas Nussbaum (lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net): > - When doing talks about something at Debconf or at another conference, > take the opportunity to review and improve the corresponding dev-ref > section. (That applies to the i18n chapter of dev-ref, which is > apparently badly outdated).

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 10:45:55PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Mon, 07 Sep 2009, Steve Langasek wrote: > > I think the devref discussions (incl. bug traffic) need to be moved onto > > debian-policy. We already have any number of bugs getting redirected from > > policy to the devref, so it's

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 07 Sep 2009, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > - There are many open bugs, about things that should really be fixed or > added in dev-ref, but I don't have time to address them (I'm doing > "please provide a patch and I'll integrate it"-maintainance). As a co-maintainer, I must recognize that I

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek writes: > I think the devref discussions (incl. bug traffic) need to be moved onto > debian-policy. We already have any number of bugs getting redirected > from policy to the devref, so it's not as though there would be a > massive traffic increase; and it would put the right set

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-07 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 08:57:54PM +0200, David Paleino wrote: > > Lucas Nussbaum, le Mon 07 Sep 2009 18:28:11 +0200, a écrit : > > > We could simply decide that it's deprecated, and use a set of wiki > > > pages to document our procedures. > > > > I would like to raise the fact that Internet is n

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Sep 07, 2009 at 06:28:11PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > First, we need to decide whether we want to continue to maintain > developers-reference. We could simply decide that it's deprecated, and > use a set of wiki pages to document our procedures. I see some value to > a (mostly) self-co

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-07 Thread David Paleino
On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 18:40:44 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum, le Mon 07 Sep 2009 18:28:11 +0200, a écrit : > > We could simply decide that it's deprecated, and use a set of wiki > > pages to document our procedures. > > I would like to raise the fact that Internet is not available >

Re: State of developers-reference

2009-09-07 Thread Samuel Thibault
Lucas Nussbaum, le Mon 07 Sep 2009 18:28:11 +0200, a écrit : > We could simply decide that it's deprecated, and use a set of wiki > pages to document our procedures. I would like to raise the fact that Internet is not available everywhere, so at least an easy way to get an offline copy of these wo

State of developers-reference

2009-09-07 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, I'm quite concerned about the state of developers-reference. - I've basically been the only active maintainer for over a year. - There are many open bugs, about things that should really be fixed or added in dev-ref, but I don't have time to address them (I'm doing