Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-28 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 28/03/11 at 14:08 +0530, Deepak Tripathi wrote: > At Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:59:47 +0100, > Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > Lucas/Antonio, > Thanks for all your good work, going through all mail thread and wiki, I have > couple of questions. > > 1) All existing packages will be renamed or only new pack

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-28 Thread Deepak Tripathi
At Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:59:47 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Lucas/Antonio, Thanks for all your good work, going through all mail thread and wiki, I have couple of questions. 1) All existing packages will be renamed or only new packages will be updated. 2) After renaming, package will be in experim

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-10 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > What is the correct way to override what dpkg-shlibdeps detects? Either you replace the dependency associated to the interpreters' libraries by providing debian/shlibs.local (or any other file that you indicate with -L) or you tell dpkg-shlibdeps to put

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-10 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 10/03/11 at 12:00 +, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2011-03-10, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > On 09/03/11 at 22:27 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Ruby changes for Wheezy"): > >> > We are planning a rather large set of changes in Ruby

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-10 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-03-10, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 09/03/11 at 22:27 +, Ian Jackson wrote: >> Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Ruby changes for Wheezy"): >> > We are planning a rather large set of changes in Ruby packaging for >> > Debian wheezy, and would app

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-10 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 09/03/11 at 22:27 +, Ian Jackson wrote: > Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Ruby changes for Wheezy"): > > We are planning a rather large set of changes in Ruby packaging for > > Debian wheezy, and would appreciate some external feedback on our > > proposals. >

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Lucas Nussbaum writes ("Ruby changes for Wheezy"): > We are planning a rather large set of changes in Ruby packaging for > Debian wheezy, and would appreciate some external feedback on our > proposals. > > Our plans are described on > http://wiki.debian.org/Tea

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 09 Mar 2011, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > [Josselin Mouette, 2011-03-06] > > You might “like” Breaks, but this: > > Depends: python > > Breaks: python (>= 2.8), python (<< 2.5) > > has the same semantics as: > > Depends: python (>= 2.5), python (<< 2.8) > > Yes it does; if you will

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-09 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Josselin Mouette, 2011-03-06] > Le samedi 05 mars 2011 à 00:22 +0100, Piotr Ożarowski a écrit : > > > Breaks: python (>= 2.8), python (<< 2.5) > > > > yeah, that's to avoid bug reports when someone will try to use this > > package with (default) python 2.4 or python 2.8 (which will NEVER be > >

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En cette fin de matinée radieuse du dimanche 06 mars 2011, vers 11:40, Lucas Nussbaum disait : > Note that, for applications written in Ruby and packaged in Debian, we > will make sure that they work no matter what /usr/bin/ruby points to (if > necessary, by forcing the shebang to ruby1.

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 06 mars 2011 à 11:40 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > Note that, for applications written in Ruby and packaged in Debian, we > will make sure that they work no matter what /usr/bin/ruby points to (if > necessary, by forcing the shebang to ruby1.8, and installing the correct > dependen

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 06/03/11 at 11:22 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le dimanche 06 mars 2011 à 10:58 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > > You are just going to empower users to shoot themselves in the foot. > > > > What if users want the ability to shoot themselves in the foot? > > Currently you’re the one h

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 06 mars 2011 à 10:58 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > You are just going to empower users to shoot themselves in the foot. > > What if users want the ability to shoot themselves in the foot? Currently you’re the one holding the weapon. > Also, you seem to assume that Ruby 1.9 is

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Mar 06, 2011 at 10:58:47AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 06/03/11 at 10:43 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le dimanche 06 mars 2011 à 10:10 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > > I prefer the situation where we empower users to make the switch if they > > > decide to, to the situatio

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 06/03/11 at 10:43 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le dimanche 06 mars 2011 à 10:10 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > > I prefer the situation where we empower users to make the switch if they > > decide to, to the situation where we arbitrarily decide that users > > should use Ruby 1.8 with no

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 05 mars 2011 à 00:22 +0100, Piotr Ożarowski a écrit : > > Breaks: python (>= 2.8), python (<< 2.5) > > yeah, that's to avoid bug reports when someone will try to use this > package with (default) python 2.4 or python 2.8 (which will NEVER be > released, BTW). dh_python2 will create simi

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 06 mars 2011 à 10:10 +0100, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit : > I prefer the situation where we empower users to make the switch if they > decide to, to the situation where we arbitrarily decide that users > should use Ruby 1.8 with no ability to change this (and get bug reports > for that). No

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 06/03/11 at 10:02 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > > > Lucas Nussbaum schrieb: > > >That's what we plan to do: for now, ruby1.8 is the default > >implementation/version, and will have the highest priority in > >alternatives. So switching to say jruby would require manual > >intervention.

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-06 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Lucas Nussbaum schrieb: >That's what we plan to do: for now, ruby1.8 is the default >implementation/version, and will have the highest priority in >alternatives. So switching to say jruby would require manual >intervention. Exactly that will ensure you run into a mess. Don't allow to switch

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Adrian von Bidder, 2011-03-04] > The way it's done is that the packages declare what versions of python they > support: > > python-pygments, for example: python-pygments uses dh_python2 which takes a little bit different approach than dh_pycentral or dh_pysupport. dh_python2 ships all symlinks

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Adrian von Bidder
Heyho! On Friday 04 March 2011 14.16:34 Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Sorry, could you explain how it works in python, when a given binary > package contains stuff for both python 2.6 and 2.7, for example? I'm not involved with Python packages, so somebody correct me please. The way it's done is that

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Fri, Mar 04, 2011 at 02:26:10PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 03/04/2011 02:00 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > >> === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations === > >> There is a huge demand (see > >> [[http

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 04/03/11 at 14:26 +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 03/04/2011 02:00 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > >> === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations === > >> There is a huge demand (see > >> [[http://bugs.debian

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 03/04/2011 02:00 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : >> === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations === >> There is a huge demand (see >> [[http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548917|#548917]]) >> for usi

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 04/03/11 at 14:00 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > > === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations === > > There is a huge demand (see > > [[http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548917|#548917]]) > >

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 04 mars 2011 à 11:16 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit : > === Use alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations === > There is a huge demand (see > [[http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548917|#548917]]) > for using alternatives to switch between Ruby implementations

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Stig Sandbeck Mathisen
Philipp Kern writes: > On 2011-03-04, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >>=== Generation of ri and rdoc documentation === >> >> We decide not to generate the ri and rdoc documentation, as there are >> good online services providing it (like rdoc.info). We might change >> our mind later. :) > > Are you s

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Philipp Kern
On 2011-03-04, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >=== Generation of ri and rdoc documentation === > > We decide not to generate the ri and rdoc documentation, as there are good > online services providing it (like rdoc.info). > We might change our mind later. :) Are you sure about that? Not that I do mu

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 04/03/11 at 10:58 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Mar 04, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > Our plans are described on > > http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Ruby/RubyInWheezy > > Don't hesitate to ask for details if needed. > Is this acceptable to the major Ruby developers or do they still hate > you and

Re: Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Mar 04, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Our plans are described on > http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Ruby/RubyInWheezy > Don't hesitate to ask for details if needed. Is this acceptable to the major Ruby developers or do they still hate you and everybody else involved? -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Des

Ruby changes for Wheezy

2011-03-04 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
Hi, We are planning a rather large set of changes in Ruby packaging for Debian wheezy, and would appreciate some external feedback on our proposals. Our plans are described on http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Ruby/RubyInWheezy Don't hesitate to ask for details if needed. - Lucas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE