]] Thomas Goirand
> > None of those provide well-working multi-user video chats, which was
> > what the discussion started with.
>
> I don't agree. Have you ever tried BBB or SIP video?
Yes, I've used both BBB and SIP professionally. They don't work
particularly well across the wide internet.
Hi,
On Sonntag, 24. Juni 2012, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > snippets on YouTube would help with publicity here.
feel free to upload Debian videos to youtube, if the licence allows so. this
has been done several times already...
> Please discuss that with the Debian video team. But don't be sur
On 06/25/2012 07:38 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Thomas Goirand
>
>
>> For the booking of tickets, (public system) car software, etc., we
>> have no choice.
>>
> Sure we have, you can always use a bike or your feet or a sailboat.
>
What does this has to do with using Hangout??? Come
]] Thomas Goirand
> For the booking of tickets, (public system) car software, etc., we
> have no choice.
Sure we have, you can always use a bike or your feet or a sailboat.
> But for being connected together, we do:
> - IRC
> - Jabber
> - Mumble
> - BBB (though you need the non-free flash play
On 06/21/2012 10:09 PM, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> It's all about perspective, though. We use free tools where we can, and
> we try to build free tools where it makes sense. I don't see anybody
> suggesting that we stop having debconf because the only way to get there
> for most people is to use no
On 12-06-24 at 07:44pm, Philip Ashmore wrote:
> On 24/06/12 17:35, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >On 12-06-24 at 05:24pm, Philip Ashmore wrote:
> >>Anyway, I guess what I would look for, to share the bug squashing
> >>atmosphere with others, is a YouTube video summarising the event,
> >>maybe magazin
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 07:37:18PM +0100, Philip Ashmore wrote:
> >Could we perhaps entice you, Philip, to make a change to Debian instead
> >of suggesting things for us to do?
> Bug#678854: Acknowledgement (icewm won't start)
That's a good first step: you've found a problem in Debian. Now you sho
On 24/06/12 17:35, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
On 12-06-24 at 05:24pm, Philip Ashmore wrote:
Anyway, I guess what I would look for, to share the bug squashing
atmosphere with others, is a YouTube video summarising the event,
maybe magazine style - it doesn't have to show someone actually
squashing a
On 24/06/12 17:54, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 05:24:28PM +0100, Philip Ashmore wrote:
Anyway, I guess what I would look for, to share the bug squashing
atmosphere with others, is a YouTube video summarising the event,
maybe magazine style - it doesn't have to show someone actu
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 05:24:28PM +0100, Philip Ashmore wrote:
> Anyway, I guess what I would look for, to share the bug squashing
> atmosphere with others, is a YouTube video summarising the event,
> maybe magazine style - it doesn't have to show someone actually
> squashing a bug, but it might h
On 12-06-24 at 05:24pm, Philip Ashmore wrote:
> Anyway, I guess what I would look for, to share the bug squashing
> atmosphere with others, is a YouTube video summarising the event,
> maybe magazine style - it doesn't have to show someone actually
> squashing a bug, but it might help highlight t
On 23/06/12 23:59, Wookey wrote:
+++ Philip Ashmore [2012-06-23 05:45 +0100]:
On 23/06/12 00:53, Wookey wrote:
I'm too busy developing the-next-big-thing(TM), but wanted to
encourage some sort of global social bug-squashing event(s) - it
might even encourage non-debianites to participate, or
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 02:50:21PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> As far as I understand, it is entirely true that Google's Hangout,
> or Skype, are easy to use. Of the free variants, I mainly have
> experience with Mumble, which usually works, but requires tweaking
> and configuration to work wel
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 02:50:21PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> As far as I understand, it is entirely true that Google's Hangout,
> or Skype, are easy to use. Of the free variants, I mainly have
> experience with Mumble, which usually works, but requires tweaking
> and configuration to work wel
On 22/06/12 23:04, Holger Levsen wrote:
Hi,
On Freitag, 22. Juni 2012, Neil Williams wrote:
Bug squashing parties are *social* events where bugs happen to get
fixed.
soon there will be a 14 day BSP, in Central America, in Managua :-D
You'll be able to participate remotly, mostly via IRC ;)
Hi,
On Freitag, 22. Juni 2012, Neil Williams wrote:
> Bug squashing parties are *social* events where bugs happen to get
> fixed.
soon there will be a 14 day BSP, in Central America, in Managua :-D
You'll be able to participate remotly, mostly via IRC ;)
cheers,
Holger
--
To UNSUBSCR
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Holger Levsen wrote:
> On Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>> It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box. I don't need to tell
>> people how to use it and what to install. It works with various other
>> devices. And so on. I do not believe that
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 07:25:51PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> Bug squashing parties are *social* events where bugs happen to get
> fixed.
http://wiki.debian.org/BSPMarathonWheezy should be useful for anyone
who thinks we're making people travel too long for these things. Host
a BSP! Even if it'
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:00:13 +0100
Philip Ashmore wrote:
> On 22/06/12 07:12, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> > On 06/21/2012 10:39 PM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> >> Fair enough - but let's not lob hand grenades at people who might find it
> >> useful. Let them get on with it if they want to.
> >>
> > Sorry, b
On 22/06/12 07:12, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 06/21/2012 10:39 PM, Jon Dowland wrote:
Fair enough - but let's not lob hand grenades at people who might find it
useful. Let them get on with it if they want to.
Sorry, but it's fair enough to "lob hand grenades" at people suggesting
non open source
On 06/21/2012 10:39 PM, Jon Dowland wrote:
> Fair enough - but let's not lob hand grenades at people who might find it
> useful. Let them get on with it if they want to.
>
Sorry, but it's fair enough to "lob hand grenades" at people suggesting
non open source solutions, useful or not. Feel free
On 06/21/2012 10:53 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
>
>
>> The thought of setting up personal (or even Debian-wide) Google+ servers
>> never occurred to me.
>>
> I think you might have missed the point. Google+ is a proprietary SaaS
> used for s
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Jun 21, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>>> While some people understandably do not like to use proprietary online
>>> services managed by third parties, there is no consensus that using them
>>> for Debian purposes is inappropriate.
>> I believe there is a cons
+++ Bernd Zeimetz [2012-06-21 15:17 +0200]:
> On 06/21/2012 02:55 PM, Russell Coker wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box.
Not if you only have one name. Google+ won't let me sign up, despite
emphasising the importance of using your r
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 03:10:11PM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 03:58:12PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > While some people understandably do not like to use proprietary online
> > services managed by third parties, there is no consensus that using them
> > for Debian pu
Please do not CC me, I am on the list.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 12:02:03AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> One thing I've idly considered is running an IRC server at LUG meetings to
> coordinate questions for the speaker. I'm not sure how well that would work,
> but as I can run my own IRC server
On Jun 21, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > While some people understandably do not like to use proprietary online
> > services managed by third parties, there is no consensus that using them
> > for Debian purposes is inappropriate.
> I believe there is a consensus that having the project recommend t
On 06/21/2012 03:50 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> As far as I understand, it is entirely true that Google's Hangout,
> or Skype, are easy to use. Of the free variants, I mainly have
> experience with Mumble, which usually works, but requires tweaking
> and configuration to work well.
>
> The other
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 03:58:12PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> While some people understandably do not like to use proprietary online
> services managed by third parties, there is no consensus that using them
> for Debian purposes is inappropriate.
I believe there is a consensus that having the
]] Lars Wirzenius
> The other aspect, however, is that Hangout and Skype are not free.
> It is not unacceptable for those developing Debian to use non-free
> software, or non-free services, but it gets problematic if it's
> the common case, or if it is advocated. We, as a project, value
> softwar
]] Russell Coker
> What features does Google+ offer that you believe to be lacking in
> free software packaged for Debian? What do you think is the easiest
> way to fix this problem?
Well-working multi-user video chats. I don't think we have any tool
capable of multi-user video chats at all.
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55:28PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > > Seriously, thats all fine stuff, but if having a hangout with 10+
> > > people on google+ helps Debian to get the bugs squashed, I can't see
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 07:11:52PM +0530, Praveen A wrote:
> >> > It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box. I don't need to tell
> >> > people how to use it and what to install. It works with various other
> >> > devices. And so on. I do not believe that your question was serious
> >> > any
On Jun 21, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> The other aspect, however, is that Hangout and Skype are not free.
> It is not unacceptable for those developing Debian to use non-free
> software, or non-free services, but it gets problematic if it's
I do not remember the social contract discussing services pr
As far as I understand, it is entirely true that Google's Hangout,
or Skype, are easy to use. Of the free variants, I mainly have
experience with Mumble, which usually works, but requires tweaking
and configuration to work well.
The other aspect, however, is that Hangout and Skype are not free.
I
2012/6/21 Andrey Rahmatullin :
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 03:28:26PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> > It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box. I don't need to tell
>> > people how to use it and what to install. It works with various other
>> > devices. And so on. I do not believe that your
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 03:28:26PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box. I don't need to tell
> > people how to use it and what to install. It works with various other
> > devices. And so on. I do not believe that your question was serious
> > anyway.
>
On Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> It is *easy* to use. It works out of the box. I don't need to tell
> people how to use it and what to install. It works with various other
> devices. And so on. I do not believe that your question was serious
> anyway.
Windows is *easy* to u
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 03:17:05PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 06/21/2012 02:55 PM, Russell Coker wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> >> Seriously, thats all fine stuff, but if having a hangout with 10+ people
> >> on google+ helps Debian to get the bugs squashed, I can't s
On 06/21/2012 02:55 PM, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
>> Seriously, thats all fine stuff, but if having a hangout with 10+ people
>> on google+ helps Debian to get the bugs squashed, I can't see a reason
>> why we should not use it. It is much more pain free to u
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55:28PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > Seriously, thats all fine stuff, but if having a hangout with 10+ people
> > on google+ helps Debian to get the bugs squashed, I can't see a reason
> > why we should not use it. It is muc
On 21/06/12 13:10, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
On 06/21/2012 04:53 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
The thought of setting up personal (or even Debian-wide) Google+ servers
never occurred to me.
I think you might have missed the point. Google+ is a proprie
On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> Seriously, thats all fine stuff, but if having a hangout with 10+ people
> on google+ helps Debian to get the bugs squashed, I can't see a reason
> why we should not use it. It is much more pain free to use than any
> other solution we have in Debian.
O
On 06/21/2012 04:53 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
>
>> The thought of setting up personal (or even Debian-wide) Google+ servers
>> never occurred to me.
>
> I think you might have missed the point. Google+ is a proprietary SaaS
> used for selling yo
On 2012-06-21 10:53:19 +0800 (+0800), Paul Wise wrote:
> I think you might have missed the point.
[...]
Partly my fault--I should know better than to employ rhetorical
subtlety on technical mailing lists with an international audience.
Wordplay does not translate well, if at all, and is often lost
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
> The thought of setting up personal (or even Debian-wide) Google+ servers
> never occurred to me.
I think you might have missed the point. Google+ is a proprietary SaaS
used for selling your eyeballs to advertisers. It is unlikely that
Googl
On 20/06/12 15:48, The Fungi wrote:
On 2012-06-20 13:34:22 +0100 (+0100), Philip Ashmore wrote:
[...]
Has anyone thought about starting a hangout at Google+?
[...]
Sounds intruiging. Is there a Debian package in main so I can run a
Google+ server easily? Setting up my own IRC servers is alread
On 2012-06-20 13:34:22 +0100 (+0100), Philip Ashmore wrote:
[...]
> Has anyone thought about starting a hangout at Google+?
[...]
Sounds intruiging. Is there a Debian package in main so I can run a
Google+ server easily? Setting up my own IRC servers is already
pretty trivial, but if all the cool
On 19/06/12 23:26, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
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