Re: Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-07 Thread Filipus Klutiero
Hah...document a distribution's bugs in a wiki page is one funny idea that Knoppix used at the time I still used it, about a year ago. And it was one major reason I didn't wait to switch to Debian. It can be considered for tracking RC issues, but Roger still has a point that all bug reports may

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-02 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:45:21PM +0100, Simon Huggins wrote: >... > You're a native German speaker right Adrian? Perhaps you could help > Debian instead by pointing out the journalist's mistake(s). >... OK, I can try to send them a message that Debian developers have asked me to point them to

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-02 Thread Steve Langasek
On Thu, Jun 02, 2005 at 10:57:44AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > It's not Steve's, or any other RM's fault if the media can't read in > > context! If a media organization wishes to post articles, they should > > only do that if they have read "offici

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-02 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > It's not Steve's, or any other RM's fault if the media can't read in > context! If a media organization wishes to post articles, they should > only do that if they have read "official" sources, using the "real" > English language, reporting what the sour

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-01 Thread Nigel Jones
On 02/06/05, Thaddeus H. Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve Langasek: > > > I challenge anyone to do volunteer release management > > for a project with Debian's size and complexity ... > > No. After seeing what Steve does, I'd sooner volunteer > to spar with Darth Maul than to manage a re

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-01 Thread Thaddeus H. Black
Steve Langasek: > I challenge anyone to do volunteer release management > for a project with Debian's size and complexity ... No. After seeing what Steve does, I'd sooner volunteer to spar with Darth Maul than to manage a release for a project with Debian's size and complexity. Sarge has as man

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-01 Thread Simon Huggins
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:56:47PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > The release team has said in announcements before the second announced > release date for sarge that the whole release schedule was based on > the installer schedule. > For a casual reader of d-d-a it might not be obvious that this has

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-01 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:27:04PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 01:02:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:58:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Anyone who can't distinguish between an "officially announced release > > > date" > > > and a pr

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 01:02:28PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:58:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Anyone who can't distinguish between an "officially announced release date" > > and a projected target release date isn't worth wasting my breath on. > > It seems you

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-01 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 02:58:21AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:27:08AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: >... > > Why are there always extremely aggressive timelines (with at least three > > publically announced release dates for sarge already passed) instead of > > making e

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-01 Thread Christian Perrier
> I remember times when there where two weeks test cycles where the whole > thing was frozen with zero changes for at about a week, and if any > serious problems were found they were fixed and then there was the next > test cycle. > > Why is there now always such a hurry to get everything out w

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-06-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:27:08AM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:29:31AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On the contrary, I found your answer reasonably satisfactory, and as a > > result had postponed replying to you in favor of dealing with more directly > > pressing rele

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-31 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:29:31AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:59:26PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Since it seems noone of the release team bothered to pay this part of > > the price for the testing release process, I'm sometimes using one or > > two spare hours to

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:59:26PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Since it seems noone of the release team bothered to pay this part of > the price for the testing release process, I'm sometimes using one or > two spare hours to go a bit through update_excuses and report half a > dozen of such issu

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Kevin Mark
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 10:21:45AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > That's still requiring /manual intervention/, and lying about the true > > state of the bug to the BTS. Ideally the BTS should understand that the > > bug was closed by a particular versi

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Paul TBBle Hampson
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 06:36:42PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 01:40:33AM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: > > Of course, "voila" may actually take a significant amount of time... but > > could > > it be slower than the two hours it takes a human to do it? > It seems you

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Agustin Martin
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 06:02:52PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > > That's still requiring /manual intervention/, and lying about the true > state of the bug to the BTS. Ideally the BTS should understand that > the bug was closed by a particular version of the package (the one > which had Closes: in

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 10:21:45AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > That's still requiring /manual intervention/, and lying about the true > > state of the bug to the BTS. Ideally the BTS should understand that the > > bug was closed by a particular version

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > or, you could always not close it in your changelog, and update the > bug accordingly. However last time I asked for this, it was deprecated: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg00915.html http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/05/msg0091

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Russ Allbery
Roger Leigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's still requiring /manual intervention/, and lying about the true > state of the bug to the BTS. Ideally the BTS should understand that the > bug was closed by a particular version of the package (the one which had > Closes: in it), and the bug is st

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hi, > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:07:50PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: >> The BTS does not currently support this. For example, if I upload a >> fix to unstable, I have to manually reopen it and tag it sarge. >

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 05:53:31PM +0200, Jeroen van Wolffelaar wrote: > > For http://www.wolffelaar.nl/~sarge, there are already diffs in a > database that are exactly the diffs between sarge & sid changelogs. > Anyway, this problem is already long time known, and the solution will > be implement

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 01:40:33AM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 01:19:48PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:04:51PM +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > > > > http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignsec=on&fullcomment=on&new=7 > > > > > > t

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Jeroen van Wolffelaar
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 01:40:33AM +1000, Paul TBBle Hampson wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 01:19:48PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:04:51PM +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > > > > http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignsec=on&fullcomment=on&new=7 > > > > > > t

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Paul TBBle Hampson
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 01:19:48PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:04:51PM +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > > http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignsec=on&fullcomment=on&new=7 > > > > thats a decent unoffical count... > ... that doesn't (and can't) in any way addr

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread sean finney
hi, On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 04:07:50PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote: > The BTS does not currently support this. For example, if I upload a > fix to unstable, I have to manually reopen it and tag it sarge. or, you could always not close it in your changelog, and update the bug accordingly.

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Roger Leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 "Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:59:26PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: >> >> Finding these issues is one of the prices for freezing testing >> instead of unstable [1]. > > CMIIW, but isn't unstable a place wh

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 11:04:51PM +1200, Nigel Jones wrote: > http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignsec=on&fullcomment=on&new=7 > > thats a decent unoffical count... ... that doesn't (and can't) in any way address the problem I described in my email. > N Jones cu Adrian --

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Roberto C. Sanchez
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 12:59:26PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > Finding these issues is one of the prices for freezing testing > instead of unstable [1]. > CMIIW, but isn't unstable a place where architectures can be out of sync? To get into a testing, a package has to pass the cooling off pe

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Nigel Jones
http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?ignore=sid&ignsec=on&fullcomment=on&new=7 thats a decent unoffical count... On 30/05/05, Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 11:57:52PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > >... > > Timeline > > > >... > > 1 June 2005 > > ~1

Re: Release update: minor delay; no non-RC fixes; upgrade reports

2005-05-30 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 11:57:52PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: >... > Timeline > >... > 1 June 2005 > ~15 RC bugs (excluding security bugs) > 0 RC bugs not tagged "sarge" >... How do you measure RC bugs? If you only look at the output of the BTS - that's horribly wrong. Why? Becau