Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-24 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 01:16:58AM +0200, Steffen Moeller wrote on debian-med list[1] but the discussion should be here on debian-devel (Reply-To is set): > > Once we are at the topic of web tools: I'm really waiting for an answer > > from you why you think that mgltools fit in your categories Fr

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-21 Thread Christoph Egger
Sven Mueller schrieb: > Comming back to icedove, an example would be the calendar plugin (which > is not in Debian as far as I know). You're thinking of iceowl-extension I guess? Using it here and it's definitely in Debian ;) > Regards, > Sven Christoph -- /"\ ASCII Ribbon : GPG-Key

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-21 Thread Sven Mueller
Gunnar Wolf schrieb: > James Westby dijo [Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:44:49AM +0100]: >> I see it as an almost bi-directional relationship, but one that allows >> you to add it to the package that "cares" about it more. > > I agree with your analysis. But, if this is the case, the treatment > should b

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
James Westby dijo [Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:44:49AM +0100]: > > Yet a package of a plugin should surely have a ‘Depends’ relationship to > > the application package. Adding an ‘Enhances’ relationship seems > > redundant in that case. > > No, there are plenty of packages which depend on another with

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:26:24AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > How do you imagine a technical implementation of a 'Enhances' field? > > Something > > like 'apt::install-enhances'? I do not *want* this personally - I just wanted to know if any tool makes use of this field in some way. > Th

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 19 Aug 2009, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: > > Ahh, I remember I was formerly wondering about this option which might > > be not easy enough to find. But anyway, my main question was whether > > there is a technical implementation of the *Enhances* field. > Personally, I'd would never set eve

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:35:10AM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: >>>apt-get --include-suggest install >>> >> -o 'Apt::Install-Suggests=1' > > Ahh, I remember I was formerly wondering about this option which might > be not easy enough to find. But anyway, my main que

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:35:10AM +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote: > >apt-get --include-suggest install > > > -o 'Apt::Install-Suggests=1' Ahh, I remember I was formerly wondering about this option which might be not easy enough to find. But anyway, my main question was whether there is a

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-19 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
Andreas Tille wrote: > I even failed to grep "man apt-get" for the string "suggests" so > I think I can not do something like > >apt-get --include-suggest install > -o 'Apt::Install-Suggests=1' -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com C++/Perl developer, Debian

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 01:44:49AM +0100, James Westby wrote: > I see it as an almost bi-directional relationship, but one that allows > you to add it to the package that "cares" about it more. So the answers somehow draw a sketch about the concept behind the Enhances field - but is it technically

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
James Westby writes: > Ben Finney wrote: > > Yet a package of a plugin should surely have a ‘Depends’ > > relationship to the application package. Adding an ‘Enhances’ > > relationship seems redundant in that case. > > No, there are plenty of packages which depend on another without > enhancing t

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread James Westby
Ben Finney wrote: > Ben Hutchings writes: > >> On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:36 +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: >>> As I understand it, "A enhances B" has (more or less) the same >>> effect as "B suggests A". Thus, the reverse Suggests relation would >>> be redundant. >> A plugin "enhances" the a

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Ben Finney
Ben Hutchings writes: > On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:36 +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > > As I understand it, "A enhances B" has (more or less) the same > > effect as "B suggests A". Thus, the reverse Suggests relation would > > be redundant. > > A plugin "enhances" the application it works in

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 22:36 +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:13:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > > What exactly means "similar". Assume package foo enhances package bar. > > Does this mean that in turn package bar should Suggest package foo or > > is this conclus

Re: Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:13:42PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > What exactly means "similar". Assume package foo enhances package bar. > Does this mean that in turn package bar should Suggest package foo or > is this conclusion not really valid? As I understand it, "A enhances B" has (more or le

Relation between Suggests and Enhances

2009-08-18 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi, in the Debian Pure Blends effort we were wondering about relations of packages and what an "Enhances" relation actually means. Debian Policy says: `Enhances' This field is similar to Suggests but works in the opposite direction. It is used to declare that a package