Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 01:36:02PM +0400, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: > > Why is UTC time bogus? > > Well, I am simply afraid of a possible knee-jerk reaction of an admin > who for whatever reason manages to hit the BIOS setup program and sees > martian time there, which they would likely attempt

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-20 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 10:47:12 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > Storing local time in the hardware clock is utterly wrong for many > > > reasons. The only reason Microsoft have continued to ship Windows > > > configured this way is the usual backwards-compatibility problem. > > > If you're running

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-20 Thread Frank Lanitz
Am 19.06.2013 18:12, schrieb Steve Langasek: > The *only* argument for using local time in the system clock is so that the > time displayed in the timezone-ignorant BIOS will be correct. But who looks > at the time in the BIOS anyway? Windows is doing ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP dig

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-20 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Steve McIntyre einval.com> writes: > So apply the registry fix if you care about a system with the This is probably bad advice: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/mswish/ut-rtc.html tl;dr: Running NT with RTC in UTC and timezone ≠ UTC is buggy. Of course, just setting a UTC timezone (without any D

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 20 iun 13, 08:50:33, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:47:12AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Why is UTC time bogus? > > If you set your BIOS clock to show the current time in the UTC time zone, > it will confuse people who think the BIOS clock shows the local time on > M

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-20 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:47:12AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Why is UTC time bogus? If you set your BIOS clock to show the current time in the UTC time zone, it will confuse people who think the BIOS clock shows the local time on Mars. -- http://www.cafepress.com/trunktees -- geeky funny T-

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 19 iun 13, 17:27:56, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:39:31 +0100 > Steve McIntyre wrote: > > [...] > > > Storing local time in the hardware clock is utterly wrong for many > > reasons. The only reason Microsoft have continued to ship Windows > > configured this way is

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:39:11PM +0200, Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:56:26PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:12:37AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > [...] > > > The *only* argument for using local time in the system clock is so that > > > the > > > t

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Bas Wijnen
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 07:56:26PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:12:37AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > [...] > > The *only* argument for using local time in the system clock is so that the > > time displayed in the timezone-ignorant BIOS will be correct. But who looks >

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:12:37AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: [...] > The *only* argument for using local time in the system clock is so that the > time displayed in the timezone-ignorant BIOS will be correct. But who looks > at the time in the BIOS anyway? No, the major reason is compatibility

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 09:10:06AM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > This isn't actually an error. But perhaps an issue with PC design. The > internal clock of your PC stores a time and date, but it DOESN'T store > which time zone you're in. All it stores is, for example, "20:20". > When you install a

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Konstantin Khomoutov
On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:39:31 +0100 Steve McIntyre wrote: [...] > Storing local time in the hardware clock is utterly wrong for many > reasons. The only reason Microsoft have continued to ship Windows > configured this way is the usual backwards-compatibility problem. If > you're running on a sys

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 05:27:56PM +0400, Konstantin Khomoutov wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jun 2013 13:39:31 +0100 >Steve McIntyre wrote: > >[...] > >> Storing local time in the hardware clock is utterly wrong for many >> reasons. The only reason Microsoft have continued to ship Windows >> configured this

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Steve McIntyre
Darac Marjal wrote: > >This isn't actually an error. But perhaps an issue with PC design. The >internal clock of your PC stores a time and date, but it DOESN'T store >which time zone you're in. All it stores is, for example, "20:20". > >When you install a new OS, it reads that time and must make on

Re: system time has change while installing

2013-06-19 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 01:43:08AM +0400, Maxim Markov wrote: >Hello. > >I use  debian-live-7.0.0-amd64-gnome-desktop. >And it has error in Time Zones Settings. >System Time changes during installation. >It`s possible that date can changes too. > >for example: >when i