Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Right. I just do nt see these invariants being very useful. I
> > would much rather have a mk-realplayer package that helps me create a
> > realplayer-blah.deb; and the invariants are then natural and not
> > artificially i
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>...
> Quite simply: This type of thing can not be handled before unpacking, so
> it isn't. Debconf allows package to ask questions in their postinst,
> this is just *strongly* discouraged. See the realplayer installer for a
> packag
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joey> Manoj, you have now several times used loaded words in this discussion:
Joey> "hectoring", "threatening".
Should I have said ``promising'' bug reports?
Joey> Stating that one will file a bug if a feature one depends on,
Joey> f
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 01:40:52AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Sorry. The whole idea of my realplayer package is to be a
> > lower hassle package; it won't periodically bother you. Since you are
> > threatening the next maintainer with bug reports unless they follow
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Joey> If, however, you make it difficult to ensure that a machine tracking
> Joey> stable is not running the current version of realplayer, expect me to
> Joey> send you bug reports.
>
> I see. Well, I guess, given this, I am not going to take over
> your packag
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joey> Well I for one find being able to make sure I am upgraded to the current
Joey> version is very useful, especially given the historical buginess of
Joey> realplayer.
Good point. If a location for the free download can be easily
de
Joey Hess wrote:
> If, however, you make it difficult to ensure that a machine tracking
> stable is not running the current version of realplayer, expect me to
Er, make that "unstable".
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see shy jo
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Right. I just do nt see these invariants being very useful. I
> would much rather have a mk-realplayer package that helps me create a
> realplayer-blah.deb; and the invariants are then natural and not
> artificially imposed. When that realplayer.deb is installed,
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joey> The package is intended to enforce two invarients:
Joey> 1) If it is installed, realplayer is installed.
Joey> 2) If it is installed and current, the current version of realplayer is
Joey>installed.
Right. I just do nt see t
On 16-Aug-00, 02:11 (CDT), Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Belive it or not, I know how to safely manage temp files and protect
> sensitive information with unix permissions.
I know you do, Joey, but my concern is that since the permission
violation occurs in the backend, when the backend
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 07:19:09AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> If you don't want to download realplayer right now, why are you
> installing the package?
E.g., you might have a slow network connection and want to deal with
the download later. (So you can finish installing everything else
without pau
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Actually, this is a particular irritant. Why does it have to
> be done in the postinst? Why can't I have /usr/sbin/inst-realplayer?
> So I can download and install at my leaisure, and I do not have to
> reinstall realplayer installer to get a new copy? Or have the
Brian May wrote:
> Just curious, why does realplayer have to do it in the postinst
> script?
Actually, I was misremembering -- it used to do that but I removed it.
> As another example though, look at heimdal-kdc, which needs to ask for
> the password, which must be kept as secure as possible.
I
Brian May wrote:
> > "Steve" == Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Steve> Which reminds me, what sort of security is enabled in
> Steve> debconf? Can any user read the values from the database, or
> Steve> is it limited to root?
>
> Not sure about this (on my system o
>>"Anthony" == Anthony Towns writes:
Anthony> To clarify a little: I want to be able to answer the
Anthony> questions up front, do the install and have it work. If I've
This is not somethign anyone can argue with.
Anthony> made a mistake (like not put a file where I said I did
Anth
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 08:26:50PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Basically, I'd like to be able to insist that I'm *never* asked a question
> > as part of a postinst. I'd rather the postinst fail (and I'd rather Apt/Dpkg
> > just get on with installing everything else, although
> "Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joey> I read your entire message and could not find any examples
Joey> of things that debconf cannot handle correctly, except of
Joey> course for conffile change prompting, which it was never
Joey> designed to do.
I think somet
Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > X...Y1) Ask to remove /System.map files
> > > .X Y2) ask to prepare a boot floppy
> > > XXX.Y3) ask which floppy drive to use
> > > .XX.?4) do I need to format the floppy?
> > > .XXXN5) Insert floppy, hit return
On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 11:38:28PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> > ==
> > - Question depends on test on fie system
> > / Question important (IMHO)
> > |/ --- Depends on previous answer
> > ||/
> "Steve" == Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Steve> Which reminds me, what sort of security is enabled in
Steve> debconf? Can any user read the values from the database, or
Steve> is it limited to root?
Not sure about this (on my system only root can read /var/lib/debc
Manoj Srivastava writes:
> Actually, this is a particular irritant. Why does it have to
> be done in the postinst? Why can't I have /usr/sbin/inst-realplayer?
> So I can download and install at my leaisure, and I do not have to
> reinstall realplayer installer to get a new copy?
That's n
>>"Decklin" == Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Decklin> Brian May writes:
>> Just curious, why does realplayer have to do it in the postinst
>> script?
Decklin> Binaries need to be downloaded from Real and we can't redistribute
Decklin> them. The user also has to fill out 'persona
On 15-Aug-00, 02:54 (CDT), Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As another example though, look at heimdal-kdc, which needs to ask for
> the password, which must be kept as secure as possible.
Which reminds me, what sort of security is enabled in debconf? Can any
user read the values from the d
On Tue 15 Aug 2000, Decklin Foster wrote:
> Brian May writes:
>
> > Just curious, why does realplayer have to do it in the postinst
> > script?
>
> Binaries need to be downloaded from Real and we can't redistribute
> them. The user also has to fill out 'personal information' to be able
> to acces
Brian May writes:
> Just curious, why does realplayer have to do it in the postinst
> script?
Binaries need to be downloaded from Real and we can't redistribute
them. The user also has to fill out 'personal information' to be able
to access the required files.
--
There is no TRUTH. There is no
> "Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joey> Quite simply: This type of thing can not be handled before
Joey> unpacking, so it isn't. Debconf allows package to ask
Joey> questions in their postinst, this is just *strongly*
Joey> discouraged. See the realplayer instal
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I do apologize. I was not talkgin about debconf, since I am
> not very knowledgeable about it (I have not been keeping up with it,
> unfortunately). I do intend a flag day soon to convert all my
> packages over.
No problem.
> Given my ignorance of things
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joey> If you have some specific complaints with debconf's design, please post
Joey> them, but I'm rather confused about what you're talking about right now,
Joey> especially since your whole message was very non-specfic and I often
Joey> could
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> If there is an alternate mechanism in place it would be time
> to make it policy. But debconf is not required yet, and it may not
> fit all potential cases anyway (more on it below).
I read your entire message and could not find any examples of things
that debconf
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