On Mittwoch, 25. März 2009, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Munin ... does not
> support alerting
It does. Directly or via nagios.
regards,
Holger
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Marco d'Itri dijo [Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:14:53PM +0100]:
> > trouble for embedded or limited ones. I don't do embedded personally so I
> > have no idea how udev fares there, but I can tell you that vservers and udev
> > don't go well together. Udev expects a real system where there's none and
>
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 09:54:42AM -0500]:
> Err, isn't munin a hugely complex beasty, that has to be
> configured for the network, and usually lives on a signle machine and
> polls others? and does alerting and graphing and is a pain to
> configure? On the other ha
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:55:58AM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Wouter Verhelst:
>
> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:53:55PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> >> * Bernd Zeimetz:
> >> > Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
> >> > feature, not a bug.
> >>
> >> I think you
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:17:01AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 21, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>
> > While 1.6% is indeed a rather small amount, I wouldn't call 1340 people
> > 'trivial'.
> I do, since I expect that most of these are using sarge or worse.
There's no proof of that. Personally,
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Henrique de Moraes Holschuh (16/03/2009):
> > So, ethtool really needs to grow an option to iterate over all
> > netdevs, and another one to print a summary of link state and
> > speed,duplex before mii-tool could be dropped.
>
> I won't promise anyth
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh (16/03/2009):
> So, ethtool really needs to grow an option to iterate over all
> netdevs, and another one to print a summary of link state and
> speed,duplex before mii-tool could be dropped.
I won't promise anything, but I'm interested in having a look, time
permittin
* Wouter Verhelst:
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:53:55PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
>> * Bernd Zeimetz:
>> > Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
>> > feature, not a bug.
>>
>> I think you can't rename most interfaces after the boot process
>> anyway. Or has the kern
On Mar 21, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> While 1.6% is indeed a rather small amount, I wouldn't call 1340 people
> 'trivial'.
I do, since I expect that most of these are using sarge or worse.
> That would be a good argument if you were to explain how, exactly, it
> would make other packages more comp
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:53:55PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Bernd Zeimetz:
> > Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
> > feature, not a bug.
>
> I think you can't rename most interfaces after the boot process
> anyway. Or has the kernel been changed and can rena
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:53:19AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>
> > It is still possible to install and run Lenny without the use of udev,
> > and many people do so.
> popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
popcon tells me that there a
* Bernd Zeimetz:
>> Kill it ASAP, it's not compatible with udev.
>
> Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
> feature, not a bug.
I think you can't rename most interfaces after the boot process
anyway. Or has the kernel been changed and can rename interfaces
which are i
Hi,
On Samstag, 21. März 2009, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Err, isn't munin a hugely complex beasty, that has to be
> configured for the network, and usually lives on a signle machine and
> polls others? and does alerting and graphing and is a pain to
> configure?
actually you just do
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 21 2009, Holger Levsen wrote:
>
>
>>> netstat
>>> ---
>> munin
>
> Err, isn't munin a hugely complex beasty, that has to be
> configured for the network, and usually lives on a signle machine and
> polls others? and does alerting and graphing a
On Sat, Mar 21 2009, Holger Levsen wrote:
>> netstat
>> ---
>
> munin
Err, isn't munin a hugely complex beasty, that has to be
configured for the network, and usually lives on a signle machine and
polls others? and does alerting and graphing and is a pain to
configure? On the ot
Hi Jonas,
On Samstag, 21. März 2009, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >plugin. We dont want to suggest asterisk just because there is a plugin
> >to monitor it :)
>
> Why not?
>
> The purpose of "Suggests:" is exactly to declare non-important
> relationship. From Policy 7.2:
True, but IMO it's the other
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On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 02:10:40PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote:
>munin uses netstat only in the netstat plugin. I've now added a
>suggests (in svn) on the assumption that netstat is a rather common
>plugin. We dont want to suggest asterisk just becaus
Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Luk,
Hi Holger
> On Samstag, 21. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
>>> How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
>> By looking at dependency relations with the net-tools package. I gu
Hi Luk,
On Samstag, 21. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
>>> Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
> > How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
> By looking at dependency relations with the net-tools package. I guess
> some packages use net-tools if a
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 02:30:18PM -0300, Martín Ferrari wrote:
>
> About the wrapper scripts:
> * ipconfig, route: the most difficult ones, both can be replaced by
> calls to "ip", maybe except for some obscure options.
Suggestion about the wrapper scripts. It would be nice if they had a
mode
> Holger Levsen wrote:
> > Hi Luk,
> >
> > On Freitag, 20. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
> >> Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
> >
> > How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
>
> By looking at dependency relations with the net-tools package
Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Luk,
>
> On Freitag, 20. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
>> Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
>
> How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
By looking at dependency relations with the net-tools package. I guess
some pac
Hi Luk,
On Freitag, 20. März 2009, Luk Claes wrote:
> Below a list of packages/maintainers that use ifconfig/route/netstat:
How did you create that list? You seem to be missing a few..
> ifconfig + route
>
sitesummary
> netstat
> ---
munin
> ifconfig
>
fai
deb
Martín Ferrari wrote:
> Hi,
Hi
In our call to move away from net-tools, I want to first start with
identifying the packages that still use it:
> * ifconfig, route: the most difficult ones, both can be replaced by
> calls to "ip", maybe except for some obscure options.
> * netstat : sstat provi
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:13:45PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> > On Mar 20, Mike Bird wrote:
> > > > popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
> > > Perhaps sysadmins that go to the effort of removing udev from
> > > some systems are le
Twas brillig at 15:30:11 20.03.2009 UTC+01 when kilob...@angband.pl did gyre
and gimble:
AB> udev is needed to allow for complex and/or hotplugged hardware.
AB> Small systems have either little, static hardware,
Small systems nowadays have a lot of hotplugged hardware: various USB
devices, fr
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 02:37:44PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > > You keep missing the point. udev matters in the host system, not in each
> > > context.
> > Do you mean the original point of this thread, about ifrename (which indeed
> > can't be used inside vse
On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > You keep missing the point. udev matters in the host system, not in each
> > context.
> Do you mean the original point of this thread, about ifrename (which indeed
> can't be used inside vserver or openvz, can be in xen)? Or do you mean
> other uses of udev?
A
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 01:03:32PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > They have their specific needs, and the last time I checked, udev couldn't
> > fulfill them. You need just /dev/{null,zero,full,random,urandom,tty,ptmx}
> > and the links to /proc/. More may be ne
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Mar 20, Mike Bird wrote:
>
> > > popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
> > Perhaps sysadmins that go to the effort of removing udev from
> > some systems are less likely to install popcon on those systems?
> And surely lurkers a
On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> They have their specific needs, and the last time I checked, udev couldn't
> fulfill them. You need just /dev/{null,zero,full,random,urandom,tty,ptmx}
> and the links to /proc/. More may be needed, but that depends on the
You keep missing the point. udev matter
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 12:14:53PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > trouble for embedded or limited ones. I don't do embedded personally so I
> > have no idea how udev fares there, but I can tell you that vservers and udev
> > don't go well together. Udev expects
Le vendredi 20 mars 2009 à 12:14 +0100, Marco d'Itri a écrit :
> This is why you install udev in the host system and bind-mount its /dev
> to the /dev of each context.
Erm… no, you don’t.
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On Mar 20, Adam Borowski wrote:
> udev is desired, nearly required for big systems, right. It's bloat and
It's not.
> trouble for embedded or limited ones. I don't do embedded personally so I
> have no idea how udev fares there, but I can tell you that vservers and udev
> don't go well togethe
On Fri March 20 2009 02:53:19 Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 20, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > It is still possible to install and run Lenny without the use of udev,
> > and many people do so.
>
> popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
Perhaps sysadmins that go to the effort o
Twas brillig at 10:50:23 20.03.2009 UTC+01 when kilob...@angband.pl did gyre
and gimble:
AB> It's bloat and trouble for embedded or limited ones.
mdev from busybox kicks in there.
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On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 09:57:13AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:07:29PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > Every relevant Linux distribution requires udev, and so do many
> > important features of Debian systems. Anything not compatible with udev
> > is a toy which wastes
On Mar 20, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> It is still possible to install and run Lenny without the use of udev,
> and many people do so.
popcon shows that the number is trivial. Definitely not "many".
> Whether you agree that this is useful or a 'toy'
> setup is beside the point; fact is that it happ
On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 09:05:53AM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Ben Hutchings writes:
> > You can do this with ethtool now, and more cleanly:
> >
> > link-speed 100
> > link-duplex full
>
> Yes, I know. But that means that existing working configurations have
> to be modified.
Which shoul
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 11:07:29PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 15, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> > Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a
> > feature, not a bug.
> Every relevant Linux distribution requires udev, and so do many
> important features of Debian systems. Any
On Tue, 2009-03-17 at 21:30 -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Oops... I strongly suggest providing a wrapper that matches netstat's
> format as closely as possible (even bug-for-bug if possible). Netstat
> is probably among the most used tools by sysadmins and programmers
> alike, both for software we di
Martín Ferrari dijo [Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 02:30:18PM -0300]:
> Hi,
>
> Luk Claes and me, as the current maintainers of net-tools, we've been
> thinking about it's future. Net-tools has been a core part of Debian and
> any other linux based distro for many years, but it's showing its age.
> (...)
>
Ben Hutchings writes:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:08:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
>
>> mii-tool may not be meant for scripts, but I for one have used it in
>> the past to force speed/duplex like this:
>>
>> iface eth1 inet static
>> address 10.122.226.9
>> netmask 255.25
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 22:25 +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:08:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
[...]
> > I fail to see the value of removing mii-tool. I'd rather see just the
> > non-working features removed in favour of an ethtool recommendation.
>
> It doesn't recognis
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 06:41:14PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > * nameif: can be replaced by "ip link", not sure if it's worth the
> > effort (does anybody actually use it?)
>
> Never heard of it, and it seems redundant with udev now. There's also
> ifrename.
I think udev can now do everyth
On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 01:08:04PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Martín Ferrari writes:
>
> > Problematic tools:
> > * mii-tool: it could be dropped and replaced by a pointer to ethtool as
> > it's not meant to be used automatically by scripts. On the other hand,
> > it's distributed as a stand-alo
Martín Ferrari writes:
> Problematic tools:
> * mii-tool: it could be dropped and replaced by a pointer to ethtool as
> it's not meant to be used automatically by scripts. On the other hand,
> it's distributed as a stand-alone tool [0] and we could do the same.
A couple of notes:
mii-tool and
On Sun, 15 Mar 2009, Martín Ferrari wrote:
> * mii-tool: it could be dropped and replaced by a pointer to ethtool as
> it's not meant to be used automatically by scripts. On the other hand,
mii-tool behaviour when you call it without parameters is *extremely* useful
to locate which cable goes whe
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 21:52, Brian May wrote:
> Martín Ferrari wrote:
>> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
>> formatting changes and parsing the command line
> sstat?
>
> I see /usr/bin/sstat in slurm-llnl - but that doesn't look right.
>
> What sstat are you re
On Mar 15, David Paleino wrote:
> > [..] Welcome to 2008.
>
> Marco, did you dist-upgrade yourself? ;)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/irony
HTH.
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Martín Ferrari wrote:
> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
> formatting changes and parsing the command line
>
sstat?
I see /usr/bin/sstat in slurm-llnl - but that doesn't look right.
What sstat are you referring to here?
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:07:29 +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> [..] Welcome to 2008.
Marco, did you dist-upgrade yourself? ;)
Ciao,
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On Mar 15, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a feature, not
> a bug.
Every relevant Linux distribution requires udev, and so do many
important features of Debian systems. Anything not compatible with udev
is a toy which wastes space in the arc
Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Mar 15, Martín Ferrari wrote:
>
>> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
>> formatting changes and parsing the command line
> While I am happy to see ifconfig and route go, I am not sure that
> netstat is in the same category and should be rep
Marco,
On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 15:11, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
>> formatting changes and parsing the command line
> While I am happy to see ifconfig and route go, I am not sure that
> netstat is in the same category and should be
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 14:30 -0300, Martín Ferrari wrote:
[...]
> * nameif: can be replaced by "ip link", not sure if it's worth the
> effort (does anybody actually use it?)
Never heard of it, and it seems redundant with udev now. There's also
ifrename.
> Problematic tools:
> * mii-tool: it cou
On Mar 15, Martín Ferrari wrote:
> * netstat : sstat provides almost the same information, just some
> formatting changes and parsing the command line
While I am happy to see ifconfig and route go, I am not sure that
netstat is in the same category and should be replaced with something
which is
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