On Fri, 2017-04-14 at 19:05 +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
wrote:
[...]
> So, it's up to us, to provide a better solution - just telling how bad
> systemd is, isn't just enought (from their perspective).
[...]
> If we get out of the ideologic war (including the upstreams, too),
> it wouldn
On 13.04.2017 11:27, Vincent Danjean wrote:
> For me, the first argument explain in the first mail is not this one.
> systemd is not portable on lots of system (hurd, kFreeBSD, ...),
This is just one of many arguments for not making applications
depending on it. (and they shouldn't depend on a
Vincent Danjean writes:
> I'm persuaded that ignoring this issue will lead to an unmaintanable
> Debian distribution on plateforms that do not support systemd in the
> middle/long term. But, perhaps, it is what the project wants.
> Enrico is proposing something else. I'm not sure if his propo
]] Vincent Danjean
> For me, the first argument explain in the first mail is not this
> one. systemd is not portable on lots of system (hurd, kFreeBSD, ...),
> upstream systemd is not interested in making its code portable, nor to
> stabilize its interfaces so that other system init can easily
Hi,
I do not have any strong position on this subject.
Le 13/04/2017 à 02:13, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> I guess I'm confused about what you think this email will accomplish. I
> feel like it's just another round of being convinced that, since you
> dislike systemd, everyone else must also som
On 2017-04-13 10:13, Russ Allbery wrote:
> It would be nice if people would stop doing the same thing over and over
> again and expecting different results.
Maybe this illustrates the core of the problem: https://xkcd.com/242/
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" writes:
> So, why don't we just ask, what kind of functionality do applications
> really want (and what's the actual goal behind), and then define open
> interfaces, that can be easily implemented anywhere ?
Who's we?
The people who are happy with systemd are,
On 12 April 2017 at 09:38, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> ..[snip]..
> So, at least anybody who maintains and systemd-free environment (eg.
> platforms that dont even have it) needs run behind them and keep up.
I think what you say there answers your own question at the end of your
email about "...why p
Quoting Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult (2017-04-12 08:38:26)
> I really wonder why people spent so much time in init system wars,
> instead of thinking clearly of the actual root problem to solve.
Because the debate got derailed by remarks painting other contributors
to the debate as idiots, p
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