Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-16 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 11:53:50PM +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > As per release goal, gnome 1.x won't be shipped in Lenny. I just started > > a first round of bugs (severity important for now), with user/usertag > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]/gnome-1.x-removal so that people

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-16 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Thomas Bushnell BSG ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Because the last time you all did this it got all the way to deleting > the packages and I had to run around and clean that up. I'm asking you > to give the maintainers a chance. That's all. Is it really that hard > to do? Isn't this what is h

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 10:53:50PM +, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > As per release goal, gnome 1.x won't be shipped in Lenny. I just started > > a first round of bugs (severity important for now), with user/usertag > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]/gnome-1.x-removal so that people

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Pierre Habouzit wrote: > As per release goal, gnome 1.x won't be shipped in Lenny. I just started > a first round of bugs (severity important for now), with user/usertag > [EMAIL PROTECTED]/gnome-1.x-removal so that people > interested in that goal can track our progress. Two thumbs up, thanks for

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 19:56 +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > We can surely keep all old cruft in the archive and never release again > (or not with these packages anyway), though I don't think that is > preferred from a quality assurance, security nor release point of view... Of course, this isn't what

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Ben Finney
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Instead of saying "we're deleting this, you will all have to adapt", > say, "we aren't maintaining this anymore; if you want it, you'll > have to start taking it over." Isn't that exactly what bug #369130 means? I thought it was the responsibility

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I wouldn't. I don't keep tabs on every package that my packages depend > on. One of them could be orphaned and I would never know. Running wnpp-alert weekly out of cron is a good idea for any DD, IMO. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Luk Claes
Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 13:39 +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> "As long as there's interest the software will stay alive" is one of the >>> main tenets of Free Software. Consequently, IMHO, as long as th

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 17:02 +, Neil McGovern wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 11:35:54AM -0500, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > So please, let these maintainers choose, rather than ordering them > > about. It is *they* who are in a position to decide whether maintaining > > gnome 1.x is worth

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 13:39 +0100, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "As long as there's interest the software will stay alive" is one of the > > main tenets of Free Software. Consequently, IMHO, as long as there's people > > willing to

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 17:56 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > So please, let these maintainers choose, rather than ordering them > > about. It is *they* who are in a position to decide whether maintaining > > gnome 1.x is worth it. Of course, it will also be up to them to do the > > maintenance.

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 11:35:54AM -0500, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > So please, let these maintainers choose, rather than ordering them > about. It is *they* who are in a position to decide whether maintaining > gnome 1.x is worth it. Of course, it will also be up to them to do the > maintenanc

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 04:35:54PM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 10:34 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > > > chance. Take th

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 10:34 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > > chance. Take the step of contacting those who maintain packages that > > depend on the librari

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "As long as there's interest the software will stay alive" is one of > > the main tenets of Free Software. Consequently, IMHO, as long as > > there's people willing to maintain i

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
"cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "As long as there's interest the software will stay alive" is one of the > main tenets of Free Software. Consequently, IMHO, as long as there's people > willing to maintain it, it shouldn't be removed regardless of how old it > is. GNO

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > > chance. Take the step of contacting those who maintain packages that > > depend on the libraries you w

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 09:34:54AM +, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > > chance. Take the step of contacting those who maintain packages that > > depend on the l

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-15 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 01:10:26AM +, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Don't start filing remove requests until other maintainers have a > chance. Take the step of contacting those who maintain packages that > depend on the libraries you want to remove, post RFAs instead of remove > requests, and

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-14 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/14/08 19:20, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > (Dropping -release, which is not a discussion list, and Pierre, who is > obviously subscribed to both.) > > On 15/01/2008, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: >> This is not the right process for something like this.

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 02:20 +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > (Dropping -release, which is not a discussion list, and Pierre, who is > obviously subscribed to both.) > > On 15/01/2008, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > This is not the right process for something like this. Instead, I > > believe you s

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-14 Thread Cyril Brulebois
(Dropping -release, which is not a discussion list, and Pierre, who is obviously subscribed to both.) On 15/01/2008, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > This is not the right process for something like this. Instead, I > believe you should find out specifically which packages depend on > gnome 1.x, and o

Re: gnome 1.x removal

2008-01-14 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
On Tue, 2008-01-15 at 00:07 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Then I'll do some more runs of the same principle on other gnome 1.x > related libs until we got rid of them al. > > If you know your package depends on gnome 1.x one way or the other, now > is the time to fix that, package a new upstrea