Charles Plessy wrote:
> Actually, it was suggested in this thread to simply not output anything
> at all. How about ?
>
I would like to know what is happening. Anybody who wants to disable
something they don't entirely understands gets what they deserve IMHO...
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Le Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 10:12:20PM +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> Sorry for the delay in replying to this ...
>
> Ben Finney writes ("Re: Dpkg triggers and user experience, aka "How do I
> disable those triggers" side effect."):
> > How about "Resum
Sorry for the delay in replying to this ...
Ben Finney writes ("Re: Dpkg triggers and user experience, aka "How do I
disable those triggers" side effect."):
> How about "Resuming deferred installation steps" or similar?
... but yes, I think this would be
This one time, at band camp, Andreas Tille said:
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> >What about reading documentation instead of expecting that we feed
> >you everything?
>
> My intention was to say that IMHO there is an urgent need to explain
> the new trigger feature to our users
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
What about reading documentation instead of expecting that we feed you
everything?
I'm sorry if I tipped onto several peoples toes: Yes, I know how to
*seek* for the documentation about triggers but wasn't this thread about
"user experience" of Joey
On Sun, 13 Jul 2008, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Sure, that's why I issued this provocation to "trigger" something I
> could listen to. The only other information about triggers on this list
> was a flamewar which circled basically around formatting of dpkg code
> issues. Did I missed some announcemen
On Sat, 12 Jul 2008, Colin Watson wrote:
Being completely uneducated is fine - we don't expect everyone to be
dpkg gurus! - but it's worth listening to people who *are* educated
before saying things like "triggers have done more harm than good".
Sure, that's why I issued this provocation to "t
On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 18:17 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:54AM +0200, Franklin PIAT wrote:
> > i.e We should be careful not to add lots of new triggers for doing new
> > stuffs, that eventually makes the installation to take longer. We can
> > still defer actions in the
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> No, this simply isn't a fair characterisation. It calls it at most once
> for every dpkg run. However, apt-get typically works like this:
>
> dpkg --unpack
> dpkg --configure
>
Isnt it easy for apt-get/aptitute/pkgmanagergui to set a flag
"--no-u
On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:24:32AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> >to, 2008-07-03 kello 08:24 +0200, Andreas Tille kirjoitti:
> >>/me as a completely uneducated apt / aptitude user thinks: Triggers have
> >>done more harm than good.
> >
> >I haven't been f
On Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 08:24:45AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Joey Hess wrote:
> >#473461
>
> But this bug ends with a question:
>
> What do you think?
I don't think there's any dispute about whether the change is a good
idea, only a question about when it should be up
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:54AM +0200, Franklin PIAT wrote:
> i.e We should be careful not to add lots of new triggers for doing new
> stuffs, that eventually makes the installation to take longer. We can
> still defer actions in the background by other means, like cron.
>
> I've included some
Andreas Tille dijo [Thu, Jul 03, 2008 at 09:24:32AM +0200]:
> >I haven't been following trigger adoption very much, so I'm ignorant:
> >what harm have triggers done?
>
> It slows down apt-get / aptitude by calling update-menus / update-mandb
> for every package that drops a file into this director
On Thu, 3 Jul 2008, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
to, 2008-07-03 kello 08:24 +0200, Andreas Tille kirjoitti:
/me as a completely uneducated apt / aptitude user thinks: Triggers have
done more harm than good.
I haven't been following trigger adoption very much, so I'm ignorant:
what harm have triggers
to, 2008-07-03 kello 08:24 +0200, Andreas Tille kirjoitti:
> /me as a completely uneducated apt / aptitude user thinks: Triggers have
> done more harm than good.
I haven't been following trigger adoption very much, so I'm ignorant:
what harm have triggers done?
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Joey Hess wrote:
#473461
But this bug ends with a question:
What do you think?
/me as a completely uneducated apt / aptitude user thinks: Triggers have
done more harm than good. Please consider this as a stupid users opinion
but I would not mention this "feature" as
Tilo Schwarz wrote:
> Actually, as "Joe User" (me ;-) I'm wondering, why I get during an update
> of let's say 20 packages the triggers message for man-db and menu not
> once at the end, but several times every few packages. I thought, the
> idea is, to let the triggers to the work once during o
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:27:55 +0200, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[...]
From a "Joe User" perspective, I think delay rather misses the point.
The
reason for triggers is not to do stuff later, it's to consolidate
processing
so actions don't need to be done multiple times.
A
On Monday 30 June 2008 01:42, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Charles Plessy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > >> Maybe "Processing triggers" could be replaced by a 2-3 word summary of
> > >> what the trigger is really doing?
> > >
> > > What about "Processing delayed configuration"?
> >
> > Well, I was
Le 30 juin 08 à 11:56, Bernd Eckenfels a écrit :
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
delayed from when? I think it is better to extend the message and be
more verbose. I also think that some indication of *why* things were
delayed would solve the problem.
I must admit i dont know how t
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> delayed from when? I think it is better to extend the message and be
> more verbose. I also think that some indication of *why* things were
> delayed would solve the problem.
I must admit i dont know how those triggers work, but I asume it is
"Remeberi
Le 28 juin 08 à 04:15, Charles Plessy a écrit :
Le Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:54AM +0200, Franklin PIAT a écrit :
sid:~# time dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/manpages_3.00-1_all.deb
Selecting previously deselected package manpages.
(Reading database ... 26933 files and directories currently
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 07:42 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Charles Plessy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > >> Maybe "Processing triggers" could be replaced by a 2-3 word summary of
> > >> what the trigger is really doing?
> >
> > > What about "Processing delayed configuration"?
s/delayed/defer
Quoting Charles Plessy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> >> Maybe "Processing triggers" could be replaced by a 2-3 word summary of
> >> what the trigger is really doing?
>
> > What about "Processing delayed configuration"?
>
> Well, I was originally thinking about someting specific for each
> trigger, but y
>> Maybe "Processing triggers" could be replaced by a 2-3 word summary of
>> what the trigger is really doing?
> What about "Processing delayed configuration"?
Well, I was originally thinking about someting specific for each
trigger, but your proposition is probably sufficient and simpler to
impl
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008, Christian Perrier wrote:
Are you basing this assumption on somethign really experienced?
It is even documented on debian-devel:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/06/msg00117.html
Indeed, when I run an "apt dist-upgrade", I just launch the
command, look at th
* Franklin PIAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080628 23:12]:
> > Indeed, when I run an "apt dist-upgrade", I just launch the
> > command, look at the list of actions that are planned, hit "Y" to
> > confirm and just switch to another window and come back some hours
> > later.
>
> When I run "apt-get install
Franklin PIAT wrote:
> On Sat, June 28, 2008 15:12, Christian Perrier wrote:
>> Indeed, when I run an "apt dist-upgrade", I just launch the
>> command, look at the list of actions that are planned, hit "Y" to
>> confirm and just switch to another window and come back some hours
>> later.
>
> When
On Sat, June 28, 2008 15:12, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Franklin PIAT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
>> That's true, IMHO. The funny (and *angering*) thing is, those users who
>> actually notice triggers are likely to complain :
>>
>> "Why the Hell do you run those triggers, it wastes my time !"
Quoting Franklin PIAT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> That's true, IMHO. The funny (and *angering*) thing is, those users who
> actually notice triggers are likely to complain :
>
> "Why the Hell do you run those triggers, it wastes my time !"
Are you basing this assumption on somethign really experienc
Adam Borowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:15:46AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Le Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:54AM +0200, Franklin PIAT a écrit :
> > > The funny (and *angering*) thing is, those users who
> > > actually notice triggers are likely to complain :
> >
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:15:46AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:54AM +0200, Franklin PIAT a écrit :
> > The funny (and *angering*) thing is, those users who
> > actually notice triggers are likely to complain :
> >
> > "Why the Hell do you run those triggers, it w
Le Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:54AM +0200, Franklin PIAT a écrit :
> The funny (and *angering*) thing is, those users who
> actually notice triggers are likely to complain :
>
> "Why the Hell do you run those triggers, it wastes my time !"
> sid:~# time dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/manpage
Le Thursday 27 March 2008 21:54:24 Julien BLACHE, vous avez écrit :
> Faidon Liambotis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In your position, I'd probably be afraid of receiving the "Joerg
> > Schilling award".
>
> The "Sven Luther award" may be more appropriate; time will tell.
Can you stop posting suc
Faidon Liambotis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In your position, I'd probably be afraid of receiving the "Joerg
> Schilling award".
The "Sven Luther award" may be more appropriate; time will tell.
JB.
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Ian Jackson wrote:
I apologise for boring everyone with this again. But it has been two
more weeks and Guillem is still nowhere near finishing his artwork.
There has also been no effort by Guillem or Raphael to negotiate with
me; they have ignored my postings to debian-dpkg.
If I was approached
On jeu, 2008-03-27 at 19:23 +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> I apologise for boring everyone with this again.
Good. Please stop doing it then.
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| On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 02:18:37AM +0100, Russell Coker wrote:
| > I'm working on a hack for dpkg to allow equivalent functionality to rpm
| > triggers.
|
| What applications does this have?
Recompile bytecode files when installing a new version/variant of an
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