Hi,
(I want to see as much UTF-8 support. These days, it is not bad. Try
using "sed" with UTF-8. It works! Of course with some understandable
gliches.)
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:55:27PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > Of course there's a penalty f
On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:03:43 +0100
Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:44:36PM +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
> > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:30 +0100
> > Roger Leigh wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
> > > > I'm not sure, whether a conclusio
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:44:36PM +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:30 +0100
> Roger Leigh wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
> > > I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached.
> > >
> > > 1. apt-get install mysql
> > > 2.
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:03:30 +0100
Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
> > I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached.
> >
> > 1. apt-get install mysql
> > 2. enter mysql client
> > 3. create database test; create table test( test char(10)
Roger Leigh, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 11:30:50 +0100, a écrit :
> > > The default is UTF-32 or UTF-16, whichever corresponds to the width of
> > > wchar_t.
> >
> > This documentation is bogus BTW. It should read "UCS-4 or UCS-2".
>
> It's "strictly" correct according to the standard.
> http://en.wikip
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:18:12PM +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
> I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached.
>
> 1. apt-get install mysql
> 2. enter mysql client
> 3. create database test; create table test( test char(10) );
>
> Replace mysql with whatever application you like.
>
> What
It's impressing how quickly threads on this list grow big. :-)
I'm not sure, whether a conclusion is already reached.
1. apt-get install mysql
2. enter mysql client
3. create database test; create table test( test char(10) );
Replace mysql with whatever application you like.
What should be the
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 07:54:33AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit :
> >> while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere
> >> substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to
>
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:56:49AM +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 08:03:30 +0200, a écrit :
> > Bastian Blank wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> > >> In article <20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr> y
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 08:03:30 +0200, a écrit :
> Bastian Blank wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> >> In article <20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr> you wrote:
> >>> Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use
Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Wed 12 Aug 2009 07:54:33 +0200, a écrit :
> Samuel Thibault wrote:
> > Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit :
> >> while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere
> >> substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to
> >>
Bastian Blank wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
>> In article <20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr> you wrote:
>>> Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
>> Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length
Samuel Thibault wrote:
> Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit :
>> while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere
>> substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to
>> see if it is a Unicode marker and substract the appropriate number of
>> byt
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500
Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Harald Braumann dijo [Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:33:58AM +0200]:
> > > There are a lot of users out there that are not willing to pay the
> > > price for increased generality.
> >
> > Don't you mean s/users/programmers? As a user I don't see w
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:04:37PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> If having a C.UTF-8 locale always available for system services is
> required for them to fully support UTF-8, then that needs adding to
> glibc.
It would also bring significant speed increase. Since about everything
calls setlocale()
* Bastian Blank , 2009-08-11, 22:24:
> Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length semantics.
No, wchar_t is UCS-4 (or UCS-2 in esoteric implementations like
Windows).
And in the most esoteric (while still co
Bernd Eckenfels, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 21:40:35 +0200, a écrit :
> In article <20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr> you wrote:
> > Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
>
> Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length semantics.
??
wchar_t
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 09:40:35PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
> In article <20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr> you wrote:
> > Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
> Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length semantics.
No, wchar_t
In article <20090811183800.ge5...@const.famille.thibault.fr> you wrote:
> Not necessarily. Any sane implementation should just use wchar_t
Which could be UTF16 and therefore still has complicatd length semantics.
And even with UTF32 there are combining characters. Sadly. But the length
could b
In article <20090811182041.gd19...@cajita.gateway.2wire.net> you wrote:
> encodings are _completely_ incompatible with UTF8, so it is just not
> possible to tolerate broken text every now and then. Everything just
> breaks completely.
Or everything works out of the box, when you use it correctly..
Gunnar Wolf, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 13:28:08 -0500, a écrit :
> while length(str) in any language up to the 1990s was a mere
> substraction, now we must go through the string checking each byte to
> see if it is a Unicode marker and substract the appropriate number of
> bytes.
Not necessarily. Any sa
Harald Braumann dijo [Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:33:58AM +0200]:
> > There are a lot of users out there that are not willing to pay the
> > price for increased generality.
>
> Don't you mean s/users/programmers? As a user I don't see what price I
> pay. I only see advantages in having a consistent en
Norbert Preining dijo [Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 08:55:27PM +0200]:
> On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:
> > Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
> > as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
>
> Rubbish. You know why in Japan and other Asian countries U
Harald Braumann, le Tue 11 Aug 2009 01:33:58 +0200, a écrit :
> Or do you mean the user pays the price, because if the encoding is set
> to UTF-8 then performance would suffer? In that case, I'd love to see
> some real life numbers. I doubt the difference would be noticeable.
Google utf-8 grep pe
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:45:40 +0200
Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 13:09 +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of
> > tomcat to utf-8 after reinstalling a server.
> > Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat,
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:42:18PM +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:49:34PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
> > I didn't call utf-8 itself rubbish, I am myself a strong proponent for
> > utf-8, only your quote that it is "about as compact as an extended encoding
> > is going to
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:49:34PM +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Philipp Kern wrote:
> > >> Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
> > >> as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
> [...]
> > make UTF-8 bad per se to call it "rubbish
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 02:06:44PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Thomas Koch wrote:
> >I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of
> >tomcat to utf-8 after reinstalling a server.
> >Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat, I want to ask
> >(and invite to discuss) s
On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Philipp Kern wrote:
> >> Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
> >> as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
[...]
> make UTF-8 bad per se to call it "rubbish".
I didn't call utf-8 itself rubbish, I am myself a strong proponent for
u
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 19:53 +0100, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 01:45:40PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> > While utf-8 covers the broadest set of character glyphs possible, it
> > suffers from size as well as performance penalties. Characters no
> > longer are guaranteed to fit
On 2009-08-10, Norbert Preining wrote:
> On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:
>> Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
>> as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
> Rubbish. You know why in Japan and other Asian countries UTF8 is not
> so common? Beca
On Mo, 10 Aug 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:
> Of course there's a penalty for certain operations. But UTF-8 is about
> as compact as an extended encoding is going to get.
Rubbish. You know why in Japan and other Asian countries UTF8 is not
so common? Because many of their glyphs need 4 (four!) bytes,
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 01:45:40PM +0200, Siggy Brentrup wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 13:09 +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of tomcat to
> > utf-8
> > after reinstalling a server.
> > Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Now we could concentrate on removing from the archive programs without
> proper UTF8 support.
There are, sadly, some very useful programs with no adequate replacement
that don't have UTF-8 support. tf5, for instance.
--
Russ Allbery (r...@debian.org) <
Le lundi 10 août 2009 à 14:06 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi a écrit :
> But let to concentrate to the first task: having a good UTF-8 support
> in all programs/terminals/etc.
This task should have been completed for etch.
Now we could concentrate on removing from the archive programs without
proper
Hi
Dne Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:09:21 +0200
Thomas Koch napsal(a):
> I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of tomcat to utf-8
> after reinstalling a server.
> Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat, I want to ask (and invite
> to
> discuss) shouldn't utf8 be the defa
Thomas Koch wrote:
Hi,
I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of tomcat to utf-8
after reinstalling a server.
Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat, I want to ask (and invite to
discuss) shouldn't utf8 be the default character set everywhere? So when
installing
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 13:09 +0200, Thomas Koch wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've an issue, that I forgot to set the character encoding of tomcat to utf-8
> after reinstalling a server.
> Now, before I report a wishlist(?) bug to tomcat, I want to ask (and invite
> to
> discuss) shouldn't utf8 be the defa
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