Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-20 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Heya, sorry for the delay. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:15:56PM +0100, sean finney wrote: > > Inherently, such a proposal applies to static content, not CGI > > applications. I fail to see where lay problems about unconfigured static > > content. > > read-only static content unpacked from packages

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-15 Thread sean finney
hi stefano, On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:09:20AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > I understand this problem, but I think you're shooting at the wrong > target. The advanced proposal (beside the aesthetically displeasing > name) is about standardizing a default vendor document root on disk so > tha

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-13 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
Sorry for the delay in replying to this. I've just re-read all the disagreements with the original proposal and they all seem to be related to this main counter-argument by Sean, hence I'll reply here. On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 11:50:11PM +0100, sean finney wrote: > > FWIW, I'm fine with /vendor. >

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-10 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Tuesday 10 November 2009, sean finney wrote: > someone ought to file a wishlist bug against php5. at the very > least there could be a debconf prompt controlling the global > status of php, and i think there's a strong case for arguing that > apps shouldn't assume that it's on by default. I

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: >> Support for multiple independent instances configured to use arbitrary >> locations for data/configuration, arbitrary vhosts and arbitrary >> sub-paths of those vhosts. > > That means: as many files reusable by each instance as possible, t

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-10 Thread sean finney
hi! On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:29:13AM +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: > > Support for multiple independent instances configured to use arbitrary > > locations for data/configuration, arbitrary vhosts and arbitrary > > sub-paths of those vhosts. > > That means: as many files reusable by each instanc

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-10 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 09:49:10AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:50 AM, sean finney wrote: > > > personally, beyond the aesthetically displeasing name, i'm really > > skeptical that this will accomplish anything useful. > > > > * most apps require extra config and splitting

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 6:50 AM, sean finney wrote: > personally, beyond the aesthetically displeasing name, i'm really > skeptical that this will accomplish anything useful. > > * most apps require extra config and splitting out of stuff into other >  directories for fhs compliance anyway, thus

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-09 Thread sean finney
hi guys, On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 02:56:59PM +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: > > To try making it a bit less ugly (and hard to type due to the moving > > nature of "-" as others have pointed out), I just try to mediate with > > "/vendor/". > > FWIW, I'm fine with /vendor. personally, beyond the aest

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-09 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
On Mon, Nov 09, 2009 at 10:15:00AM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:53:32PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > Something short, generic and distro-neutral like /app/ would be my > > > personal preference if I were developing a standard for my servers. > > > Unfortunat

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-09 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:53:32PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Something short, generic and distro-neutral like /app/ would be my > > personal preference if I were developing a standard for my servers. > > Unfortunately, going that direction as also increases the chances of > > remapping a p

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-07 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sat, Nov 07, 2009 at 04:16:54PM +, Tzafrir Cohen a écrit : > > "To see your locally-installed documentation, use: > > http://localhost/vendor-apps/dwww > " Hello Tzafrir, native Debian applications are actually the ones which have the least benefit from this. I like a lot doc-central,

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-07 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:53:32PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Fri, Nov 06 2009, The Fungi wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 01:11:47PM +0100, Harald Braumann wrote: > >> /debian/ seems to be the de facto standard for Debian archives. So I > >> guess it wouldn't be such a good idea to u

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-04 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
I'm commenting a bit between the paragraphs to sharpen my mind :) On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 08:09:18PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > What I was aiming to is a kind of document root which is under full > control of the package manager; hence where the sysadm cannot touch > anything by hand. That

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-04 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 07:15:55PM +0100, Jan Hauke Rahm wrote: > I don't get it. This would of course solve the problem of FHS compliance > but apart from that it doesn't gain anything, does it? > Now, do I totally misunderstand the issue here, or are we just moving > the /var/www problem to /var/

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-04 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:03:20AM -0600, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Stefano Zacchiroli dijo [Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 05:50:01PM +0100]: > > > Uhm, why postpone this so long? I'd hope we could find a consensus quite > > > soon. > > > Then, we might not be able to fix _all_ web apps until squeeze, but at

Re: common, FHS-compliant, default document root for the various web servers

2009-11-04 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Stefano Zacchiroli dijo [Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 05:50:01PM +0100]: > > Uhm, why postpone this so long? I'd hope we could find a consensus quite > > soon. > > Then, we might not be able to fix _all_ web apps until squeeze, but at > > least > > tthose few with dir-or-file-in-var-www :-) > > I see