Re: [imurdock@debian.org: Re: coming soon]

1996-01-01 Thread Bruce Perens
Write to Eric Troan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. He's on vacation this week. Caldera simply follows Red Hat's lead on this issue. Red Hat has shown a willingness to deal with us. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pixar Animation Studios

[imurdock@debian.org: Re: coming soon]

1996-01-01 Thread Ian Murdock
What are the appropriate contact address at Red Hat and Caldera? I'd like to write to both companies and discuss this issue. --- Start of forwarded message --- Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 17:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: Ian Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: coming soon

1995-12-18 Thread Simon Shapiro
> Isn't it just as likely that /var/log will be on a mounted filesystem? > (In fact /var is a separate filesystem on mine.) Ditto here ( and /var/spool is separate too). To be sane/safe, assume that /sbin, /lib, and /etc are all that / has at boot time. Anything else can be mounted on some mut's

Re: coming soon

1995-12-18 Thread Bruce Perens
Ian Jackson: > I agree. Bruce, would it be too much to ask you to hold off making > this change until we've got the issue settled ? I'm waiting for Miquel van Smoorenberg, the author of sysvinit, to get back to me regarding whether he will take over the sysvinit package. If he leads, the users of

Re: coming soon

1995-12-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens writes ("Re: coming soon"): > I was talking about moving initrunlvl to /etc, not /var/log . Ah, sorry, I misunderstood you too. Ian.

Re: coming soon

1995-12-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Ian Murdock writes ("Re: coming soon "): > I also agree that compatibility between distributions is paramount, but > I'd rather convince Caldera, Red Hat, etc. to be compatible with System V > than change Debian to be incompatible with it. We should make talking to

Re: coming soon

1995-12-18 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens writes ("Re: coming soon"): > From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >[Bruce wrote:] > >>4. The /etc/init.d/functions file will no longer be used. > > Please make it exist and be empty so that existing programs don't > > break. &

Re: coming soon

1995-12-17 Thread Ian Murdock
On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Ian Jackson wrote: > > 4. The /etc/init.d/functions file will no longer be used. > > Please make it exist and be empty so that existing programs don't > break. It should contain a comment saying that programs shouldn't use > it. Also, don't forget to remove the ". /etc/

Re: coming soon

1995-12-17 Thread Ian Murdock
I agree with Ian J. I also agree that compatibility between distributions is paramount, but I'd rather convince Caldera, Red Hat, etc. to be compatible with System V than change Debian to be incompatible with it. We should make talking to them the first step in resolving this incompatibility prob

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > All the other Linux distributions are going to /etc/rc.d/* because > that's what comes with the svinit package. It works very well; in > practice I've found that it's one of the things that I like better > about my Red Hat system than my Debian syst

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Jeff Noxon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In fact, isn't /etc guaranteed to be on the root filesystem? I don't see > how a system can boot without it. Why move initrunlevel at all? I think > other distributions will leave it in /etc. Debian does not currently have it in /etc . I am going to move i

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread Bruce Perens
I was talking about moving initrunlvl to /etc, not /var/log . Regarding the location of the rc[0-6].d directories, slackware, redhat, caldera, etc. all put them in /etc/rc.d/rc[0-6].d . I don't have to change their locations, but it seems to make more sense for us to be Linux-compatible than SysV-

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread Jeff Noxon
> Bruce Perens writes: > >From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>>1. The "initrunlevel" file is moving to /etc from /var/log. > >>/var/run, surely ? > > > >/var/run is possibly in a mounted filesystem. Init breaks if it can't > >find this file. I've been thinking about using a named pipe so t

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread Richard Kettlewell
>>I can make symbolic links in /etc/rc.d that point back out to where >>the directories are instead of moving the directories. I was of the >>impression that real SysV worked the other way, but I can satisfy >>everyone. > >I agree with Ian. Pleas don't do this. Adding alternative paths to >the s

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread Richard Kettlewell
Bruce Perens writes: >From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>1. The "initrunlevel" file is moving to /etc from /var/log. >>/var/run, surely ? > >/var/run is possibly in a mounted filesystem. Init breaks if it can't >find this file. I've been thinking about using a named pipe so that >it will wor

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread roro
On Sat, 16 Dec 1995, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > David Engel writes: > >> >> 3. /etc/rc[0-6].d will move to /etc/rc.d/rc[0-6].d to match the > >> >>practice on other Linux systems. Symbolic links will provide > >> >>compatibility with the old locations. > >> > Is

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread Michael K. Johnson
David Engel writes: >> >> 3. /etc/rc[0-6].d will move to /etc/rc.d/rc[0-6].d to match the >> >> practice on other Linux systems. Symbolic links will provide >> >> compatibility with the old locations. >> > Is this really necessary ? Real SysV's do things the way we have >> > done. >>

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread David Engel
> >>3. /etc/rc[0-6].d will move to /etc/rc.d/rc[0-6].d to match the > >> practice on other Linux systems. Symbolic links will provide > >> compatibility with the old locations. > > Is this really necessary ? Real SysV's do things the way we have > > done. > > I can make symbolic l

Re: coming soon

1995-12-16 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> 1. The "initrunlevel" file is moving to /etc from /var/log. > /var/run, surely ? /var/run is possibly in a mounted filesystem. Init breaks if it can't find this file. I've been thinking about using a named pipe so that it will work with a read-only roo

Re: coming soon

1995-12-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Bruce Perens writes ("coming soon"): > I am changing "init" in a few ways: > > 1. The "initrunlevel" file is moving to /etc from /var/log. > Currently, init gets sick if /usr is unmounted. I may look > at an alternative to using this file, so that it can better > t