Re: RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-28 Thread James Westby
On (28/07/06 13:16), Lars Wirzenius wrote: > pe, 2006-07-28 kello 10:53 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: > I don't like it when people make using helper packages de facto > required. And debhelper isn't standard (meaning that you can expect > everyone to use it), merely very common. It is also very g

Re: RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-07-28 kello 10:53 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: > On (28/07/06 10:03), Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > pe, 2006-07-28 kello 00:03 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: > > > * Make it easier for package maintainers > > > - One extra dh_ call and maybe one more file in debian/ > > > > How badly

Re: RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-28 Thread James Westby
On (28/07/06 10:03), Lars Wirzenius wrote: > pe, 2006-07-28 kello 00:03 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: > > * Make it easier for package maintainers > > - One extra dh_ call and maybe one more file in debian/ > > How badly is this tied to debhelper? Any chance of designing it so that > it doe

Re: RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius
pe, 2006-07-28 kello 00:03 +0100, James Westby kirjoitti: > * Make it easier for package maintainers > - One extra dh_ call and maybe one more file in debian/ How badly is this tied to debhelper? Any chance of designing it so that it doesn't require debhelper? -- One does not see anything

RFC: ssl-cert2 design [Was: Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate]

2006-07-27 Thread James Westby
Warning, long email. Executive summary. == * More consistent handling of SSL certs would be nice. * The proposed ssl-cert package is not in good shape. ssl-cert2 from http://jameswestby.net/debian/ssl-cert2-0.1.tar.gz aims to * Make it easier for package maintainers

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-24 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Mon, Jul 24, 2006 at 12:43:16PM +0200, Peter Palfrader wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Milan P. Stanic wrote: > > But then you must change all symlinks to that new real certificate. > > That's why on my systems all the service names symlink to > thishost.{pem,key} and that is itself a symlink to

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-24 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Milan P. Stanic wrote: > On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 08:37:50PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > > Milan P. Stanic wrote: > > > Sorry if I misunderstand something, but is it okay to call it snakeoil > > > if it is real certificate? I like to say that the symbolic links for > > > per

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-24 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 08:37:50PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > Milan P. Stanic wrote: > > Sorry if I misunderstand something, but is it okay to call it snakeoil > > if it is real certificate? I like to say that the symbolic links for > > per-service certificate shouldn't point to something calle

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-23 Thread Martin Schulze
Milan P. Stanic wrote: > > For example: > > > > Dovecot uses . > > > > This is a symbolic link to if > > the above file or link does not exist during configuration of > > dovecot. > > > > That way, the admin can easily replace the symlink with a real > > certificate if they want per-ser

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread tony mancill
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 11:24:34AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > Hence, I propose to stay with virtual per-service certificates, but to > link them to the common snakeoil certificate from ssl-certificates > during configuration and only if there is no other setting. > > For example: > > Dovec

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread Milan P. Stanic
On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 11:24:34AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > For example: > > Dovecot uses . > > This is a symbolic link to if > the above file or link does not exist during configuration of > dovecot. > > That way, the admin can easily replace the symlink with a real > certificate

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread Martin Schulze
(please copy debian-devel, feel free to bounce my mail there after you've done so, for others to be able to comment as well). Klaus Ethgen wrote: > Am Do den 20. Jul 2006 um 11:24 schrieb Martin Schulze: > > > [one cert for all services] > > I believe that this is a good idea, however, I would lik

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Do den 20. Jul 2006 um 11:24 schrieb Martin Schulze: > > [one cert for all services] > I believe that this is a good idea, however, I would like to propose a > slightly different approach. > > At the moment, it seems that all applications use their

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-20 Thread Martin Schulze
Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > In bug #376146, Martin Pitt wrote: > > > In an effort to clean up the SSL certificate mess on Ubuntu servers, we > > recently converted all our supported Server packages to make use of > > the ssl-cert package instead of creating a package-specific > > self-signed SSL cert

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-04 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jul 04, 2006 at 02:38:30PM +0200, "Uwe A. P. Würdinger" wrote: > James Westby schrieb: > >An estimate of the pacakages that generate a certificate in postinst > >(lets hope there are none that include them in the package) I tried: > > > >$ grep-available -FDepends openssl -sPackage -n | sor

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-04 Thread Uwe A. P. Würdinger
James Westby schrieb: On (03/07/06 23:34), Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: [Jaldhar H. Vyas] Is this is a good idea for Debian? I think it is but it doesn't make sense to switch dovecot over unless all the other ssl-cert using packages also do it. Is this possible in the etch timeframe? Yes, it is

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-03 Thread James Westby
On (03/07/06 23:34), Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Jaldhar H. Vyas] > > Is this is a good idea for Debian? I think it is but it doesn't make > > sense to switch dovecot over unless all the other ssl-cert using > > packages also do it. Is this possible in the etch timeframe? > > Yes, it is a go

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-03 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Jaldhar H. Vyas] > Is this is a good idea for Debian? I think it is but it doesn't make > sense to switch dovecot over unless all the other ssl-cert using > packages also do it. Is this possible in the etch timeframe? Yes, it is a good idea to make the SSL certificate handling in Debian package

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006, Brian May wrote: > I don't expect such a system to implement virtual hosting without > system administrator intervention, but a naming convention for the files We must make this intervention easy, but other than that... > that supports virtual hosts would be even better IMHO,

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-07-02 Thread Brian May
> "Jaldhar" == Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> In an effort to clean up the SSL certificate mess on Ubuntu >> servers, we recently converted all our supported Server >> packages to make use of the ssl-cert package instead of >> creating a package-specific self-sig

Re: Using the SSL snakeoil certificate

2006-06-30 Thread James Westby
On (30/06/06 10:51), Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > Following up to myself with a proper subject line. > > In bug #376146, Martin Pitt wrote: > > > In an effort to clean up the SSL certificate mess on Ubuntu servers, we > > recently converted all our supported Server packages to make use of > > the ssl