On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:03:33PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
>
> But there seem to be enough C++ deevelopers around here, and more and more
C++ is mostly popular because microsoft is using it, ...
> will follow (if you haven't noticed, on universities they teach Scheme, Java
> , Perl and C+
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Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Goswin Brederlow wrote:
> > I think its a bad idea to say "You want to access to dpkg, programm in
> > XXX". All interaction should be via a call to dpkg itself. Also
> > modules should be programs by itself and not linked.
> >
> > dpkg would then call "dp
Marek Habersack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [1 ]
> * Aaron Van Couwenberghe said:
>
> > Notably, I'm going to be writing it in C++. This will add about 270k
> > to the boot disks' root image, but as the floppy install methods are for the
> > most part phasing out under the shadow of easier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Go for it. Have fun. Document and read. There has been quite some
> discussion
> on this subject.
>
> My only comment is that apt will likely be on a boot disk near you real soon
> so libc++ is there too.
Great, I just love apt.
> Make not of dpkg's short comings
Marek Habersack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [1 ]
> * Marcus Brinkmann said:
> > On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:03:46AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> >
> > > 3. Most programmers would write code in C
> >
> > Yeah, uh. But that's the point isn't it?
> No, that's the reality.
>
> > The current dp
Goswin Brederlow wrote:
> I think its a bad idea to say "You want to access to dpkg, programm in
> XXX". All interaction should be via a call to dpkg itself. Also
> modules should be programs by itself and not linked.
>
> dpkg would then call "dpkg-download-ftp" to download a package via
> ftp, o
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> "Eduardo" == E O Fredrik Liljegren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Eduardo> On a computer without CD-ROM one has to start by
Eduardo> disk, but that's ok.
Do you mean floppy, or the hard-disk option?
Eduardo> Then you get the option of NFS, but not
> "Marek" == Marek Habersack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Marek> * Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho said:
>> On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:01:12PM -0700, Aaron Van
>> Couwenberghe wrote:
>> > Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured
>> > programming that I can't understand ho
Anthony Towns writes:
> [1 ]
> On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:24:08AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
>...
> In particular, there are established ways of linking programs written in
> any language against C based libraries. As far as I'm aware doing the same
> to C++ (or other object-oriented l
Just FYI,
this is the response I got from swim's author. There's the URL I didn't
have in my last mail ...
Cheers,
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On Wed, 19 May 1999, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:24:08AM -0700,
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 08:26:00AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
>
> I think a good object-oriented design can be easier to follow too.
> In circumstances where there is naturally some use for inheritance
> it is very useful indeed. I don't see any natural inheritance in
> managing packages, though
> methods are phasing out is just plainly wrong. Currently we have three
> ways of booting the installation system: bootable CDs (requires a modern
> BIOS), floppy disk and bootp (requires a netword card with the proper
> ROM, and a bootp+tftp server on the same network). Our bootable CDs use a
>
Marcus Brinkmann writes:
> We all are blinded by dpkg. It works, yes. How long? The current
> sources don't even build properly out of the box. Problems are
> cropping up without people knowing how to fix them (see the bug
> list). Even very simple patches and changes need months to get into
> yet
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:20:20AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
>
> Argo-UML. It's a UML design tool, designed to export Java; however, its
> nature makes it useful for any (distributed or otherwise) OO design project.
>
> I don't have a URL with me.
>
http://www.ics.uci.edu/pub/arch/uml
And thus spake Daniel James Patterson, on Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:30:31AM +1000:
> On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 08:26:00AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> >
> > Besides, any advantage in a nice OO design is lost by implementing it in
> > C++!
> >
>
> There is no need to do it in C++. My whole point
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 08:26:00AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
>
> Besides, any advantage in a nice OO design is lost by implementing it in C++!
>
There is no need to do it in C++. My whole point is that I think an OO
methodology would work well in this case simply due to the maintainability
f
*Marek Habersack wrote:
> Yes, yes. But you won't be able to use perl with C++ libraries.
If you use the C interface to the C++ libraries, and reimplement OO
in perl, yes you can. And the C++ wrapping has improved to the point that
people are using it directly for some projects.
--
John L
*Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:03:46AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
>
> > 3. Most programmers would write code in C
>
> Yeah, uh. But that's the point isn't it?
>
> The current dpkg is written in C. How many programmers are working on it?
I've often wondered abou
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 10:09:34PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> Now you've proven it. You're a fanatic. And you offend people. Thanks.
there's no excuse for personal attacks. if you have a point to make,
then make it but don't stoop to ad hominem attacks.
i think i'll just ignore the rest of t
* Branden Robinson said:
> > several lines? If so, then please go back AND READ IT. Only then you have a
> > right to jump upon me like that. Before you joined the discussion, we were
> > DISCUSSING matters, now we're FIGHTING and flaming each other. Thank you.
>
> What is there to discuss with y
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 10:07:09PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> I have just one question to you - have you read the ENTIRE thread??? Or just
> several lines? If so, then please go back AND READ IT. Only then you have a
> right to jump upon me like that. Before you joined the discussion, we were
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:45:09PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 12:27:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
>
> > C++ may be OO, but it's not very good OOand it tends to compile
> > into code which is both bloated and slow.
> >
> > dpkg is already far too slow on old hard
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:02:00PM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I don't see anything in the Debian packaging system which fits
> > OO very well at all. We have just one type of package; there are no
> > special sub-types, for example.
>
> Then you're
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:27:10PM +1000, Daniel James Patterson wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:14:26PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > How about "it's complete overkill"?
>
> I don't think so. Yes you can write maintainable code with plain C,
> but with the number of developers moving in a
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:50:38AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> I think an interesting approach would be to use CORBA. Make dpkg into
> a networkable server for polymorphic package objects! G'wan, I dare
> ya! :-)
Wowch! Nothing against CORBA, I love it, but if I think about the overhead.
I rec
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:55:59PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> I'm sorry, but you seem to be arrogant here. You cut the DISCUSSION with
> statements like this instead of saying anything reasonable.
I said that I don't agree with you, and that I think your arguments against
C++ are invalid. I e
* Marcus Brinkmann said:
> > dpkg is already far too slow on old hardware...hell, it's too slow on
> > a P200 with 200MB of RAM, now that the status and available files have
> > over 3300 packages detailed in them.
>
> Yeah, it's slow, and it's written in C.
Linux is slow. It's written in C. Yeah
* Marcus Brinkmann said:
> > > Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. But the decisions are made by
> > > people who to do the work.
> > Not in this case. This is not their graduate project, nor an experiment.
> > It's a package which the entire Debian distribution relies on
>
> You're wron
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:25:17PM +1000, Daniel James Patterson wrote:
> > On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:50:38AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> > > I think an interesting approach would be to use CORBA. Make dpkg into
> > > a networkable server for polymo
* Marcus Brinkmann said:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:50:26PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > > And note that development will just start. By the time this project
> > > enters a
> > > critical stage, egcs will be improved again.
> > No, the development shouldn't start yet. A project should be p
* Marcus Brinkmann said:
> > Again, that's not an argument. People come and people go, and more of them
> > know C than C++. Besides, ech..., how can you draw an argument like this???
>
> I can because I see what's happening to dpkg and it worries me.
>
> We all are blinded by dpkg. It works, ye
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:50:26PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > And note that development will just start. By the time this project enters a
> > critical stage, egcs will be improved again.
> No, the development shouldn't start yet. A project should be presented to
> the iterested people and a
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:47:00PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
>
> > The current dpkg is written in C. How many programmers are working on it?
> Again, that's not an argument. People come and people go, and more of them
> know C than C++. Besides, ech..., how can you draw an argument like this??
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:39:32PM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. But the decisions are made by
> > people who to do the work.
> Not in this case. This is not their graduate project, nor an experiment.
> It's a package which the entire Debian distribu
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 12:27:32AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
>
> C++ may be OO, but it's not very good OOand it tends to compile into
> code which is both bloated and slow.
>
> dpkg is already far too slow on old hardware...hell, it's too slow on
> a P200 with 200MB of RAM, now that the sta
* Marcus Brinkmann said:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:47:59AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > But the problem is that templates, nor exceptions or rtti (which are all
> > elements of MODERN C++ programming) don't work well enough on the GNU
> > platform...
>
> It would be silly to try to use all
* Marcus Brinkmann said:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:03:46AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
>
> > 3. Most programmers would write code in C
>
> Yeah, uh. But that's the point isn't it?
No, that's the reality.
> The current dpkg is written in C. How many programmers are working on it?
Again, that
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:47:59AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> But the problem is that templates, nor exceptions or rtti (which are all
> elements of MODERN C++ programming) don't work well enough on the GNU
> platform...
It would be silly to try to use all features of such a complex language
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:03:46AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> 3. Most programmers would write code in C
Yeah, uh. But that's the point isn't it?
The current dpkg is written in C. How many programmers are working on it?
The only contributions to our packaging systems today are done with C++
* Marcus Brinkmann said:
> [...]
>
> but it should have not. Please ignore my last mail on this topic. I just
> noticed that the general discussions was vastly ahead of your contribution.
Too late :))) I just responded :)
marek
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* Marcus Brinkmann said:
> This mail is ignoring Aaron's request for peace over this topic, but I am
I just can't resist writing it: there was NO war on this subject, so why do
you and Aaron want to make peace?
> > become the new standard, then the language you decide to use is very
> > important
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:02:09PM +0200, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
>
> This mail is ignoring Aaron's request for peace over this topic,
[...]
but it should have not. Please ignore my last mail on this topic. I just
noticed that the general discussions was vastly ahead of your contribution.
Thank
Hi,
This mail is ignoring Aaron's request for peace over this topic, but I am
not the person who can keep silent if there are obvious mistakes to point
out.
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:39:39AM -0400, Dan Nguyen wrote:
>
> Well your subject says it all "Time to rewrite dpkg." I'm assuming
> that
On Fri, May 21, 1999 at 12:25:58AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> But yes, you can write an "id()" function which behaves differently depending
> on what is passed to it.
You misunderstand. id is the identity function, defined for all types
and returns what it is given. In C++ terms, then:
templ
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 03:07:03PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> I also heard that templates bloat the code
Depends on how you use them. Templates work by duplicating code.
> what size are your executable compared to equivalent C stuff,
Equivalent C code? For every template in C++ the equivalent
* Brandon Mitchell said:
> Hi Aaron,
>
> I would be interested in seeing your design. It may clear up some
> concerns as to why you are picking your language (which seems to have
I would like to see it as well. So far, not even a single argument has been
presented to justify the selection of C++
* Aaron Van Couwenberghe said:
> > The answer is - you can't... All the languages you mentioned have clean C
> > interacing methods, but no C++ ones. The reason is that C++ is not
> > interoperable.
>
> No, no, no! one word for everyone. CORBA!
I'm sorry to say that, but dream on...
marek
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* Hamish Moffatt said:
> > mention templates. And I remember how did the C++ interface, in binary
>
> This was certainly true in g++ 2.7.x, but egcs seems much better.
Much better, yes, but it's still not finished.
> (Exceptions and templates anyway; I don't know what rtti is.)
RTTI stands for R
* Sven LUTHER said:
> > > Is that true, I have heard this agrument often, but is it true, and is it
> > > still
> > > so today ? Is there effort made to fix this ? how far are they ?
> >
> > I haven't used RTTI, but in my experience templates work without problems
>
> I also heard that template
* Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho said:
> > Is that true, I have heard this agrument often, but is it true, and is it
> > still
> > so today ? Is there effort made to fix this ? how far are they ?
>
> I haven't used RTTI, but in my experience templates work without problems
> and exceptions work most of
* Sven LUTHER said:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:44:02AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> >
> > 1. you create a C library with all the dpkg functionality inside
> > 2. you compile and link it as a shared library
> > 3. you write several simple drivers to interface the user to that library
> > 4. t
* Sven LUTHER said:
> > > Agreed. Too bad C++ does not support parametric polymorphism too well.
> > > Templates come close, so the hope is not lost.
> > But the problem is that templates, nor exceptions or rtti (which are all
> > elements of MODERN C++ programming) don't work well enough on the
* Sven LUTHER said:
> > > Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I
> > > can't understand how anybody could live without it.
> > Is it? AFAICS none of the traditional languages like Pascal or C has
> > polimorphism at its base...
>
> What you call polymorphism is ju
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:27:10PM +1000, Daniel James Patterson wrote:
> Besides, as I said, at this stage, do the analysis, not the coding. It can
> always be scrapped if it looks like it would be pointless, but I'd like to
> see some non-emotive reasons not to even _consider_ it.
here's a non-
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 03:34:27PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> Something like
> Objective Caml version 2.02
> # let id x = x ;;
> val id : 'a -> 'a =
> ---
> Not sure, but i think we are not talking with the same definition of
> the same word ?
C++ isn't a
Enrique Zanardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:24:08AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> [...]
> > Notably, I'm going to be writing it in C++. This will add
> > about 270k to the boot disks' root image, but as the floppy
> > install methods are for the most part
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:14:31AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:45:45PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:44:02AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > > * Aaron Van Couwenberghe said:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Polymorphism is such an obvious pill
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:54:45PM +1000, Daniel James Patterson wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:44:39PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Speaking of baser instincts, Rationale Rose isn't free software, is it?
> >
> > Are there any nice (or even not-nice) OO design tools that are?
> >
>
> No
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 04:00:43PM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:53:23PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > > But the problem is that templates, nor exceptions or rtti (which are all
> > > elements of MODERN C++ programming) don't work well enough on the GNU
> > > pla
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:53:23PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > But the problem is that templates, nor exceptions or rtti (which are all
> > elements of MODERN C++ programming) don't work well enough on the GNU
> > platform...
>
> Is that true, I have heard this agrument often, but is it true, an
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 09:14:26PM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> How about "it's complete overkill"?
I don't think so. Yes you can write maintainable code with plain C,
but with the number of developers moving in and out of Debian, I think
that a decent OO approach for core software could make i
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:25:17PM +1000, Daniel James Patterson wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:50:38AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> >
> > I think an interesting approach would be to use CORBA. Make dpkg into
> > a networkable server for polymorphic package objects! G'wan, I dare
> > ya! :
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:44:39PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Speaking of baser instincts, Rationale Rose isn't free software, is it?
>
> Are there any nice (or even not-nice) OO design tools that are?
>
No unfortunatley it isnt. There is a solaris version, which is a bad port
of the win32 v
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:44:02AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
>
> 1. you create a C library with all the dpkg functionality inside
> 2. you compile and link it as a shared library
> 3. you write several simple drivers to interface the user to that library
> 4. the .so is loaded only ONCE - tha
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:47:59AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> * Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho said:
> > On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:01:12PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> > > Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I
> > > can't understand how anybody could live w
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:44:02AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> * Aaron Van Couwenberghe said:
>
>
> > Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I
> > can't understand how anybody could live without it.
> Is it? AFAICS none of the traditional languages like Pascal o
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 08:25:17PM +1000, Daniel James Patterson wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:50:38AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
> There are a few OO tools (I'm thinking Rational Rose
> in particular) that can do code generation from UML work, which could mean
> that we could decide on a des
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 02:50:38AM -0700, Chris Waters wrote:
>
> I think an interesting approach would be to use CORBA. Make dpkg into
> a networkable server for polymorphic package objects! G'wan, I dare
> ya! :-)
I don't see why not.
Software is becomming more and more complex, people are
Aaron Van Couwenberghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello, esteemed members of the Debian enthusiast community!
Hi
>...
> So, whether or not I recieve the approval of this community, I'm
> going to be working on a complete rewrite of dpkg. No, it won't even
> *resemble* the old dpkg; I gu
Aaron Van Couwenberghe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I have grown increasingly aware of FUD of this type about C++ and OO
> languages. OO is designed to *increase* interoperability, flexibility, and
> extensibility -- definately not the other way around.
OO isn't limited to C++, and C++ isn't lim
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:24:08AM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
[...]
> Notably, I'm going to be writing it in C++. This will add about 270k
> to the boot disks' root image, but as the floppy install methods are for the
> most part phasing out under the shadow of easier methods, I'm n
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:01:12PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:50:19AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > That seems... the wrong way around.
> see comments below ;P
Perhaps I should expand on that. The `Unix way' (yes, you can stop reading
this paragraph here, i
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:15:00AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> The standards don't change that fast, but I'm talking about the
> _implementation_. The g++ compiler still has problems and unimplemented
> standard C++ elements - again, rtti and exceptions come to mind, not to
> mention templates.
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:22:28AM +0200, Marek Habersack wrote:
> > A better question is how a revised C++-ish library might interoperate with
> > an object-oriented language designed to make use of polymorphism,
> > abstraction, etc. Say, how Python might work as a front end, or how you
> > migh
Hi Aaron,
I would be interested in seeing your design. It may clear up some
concerns as to why you are picking your language (which seems to have
generated quite a discussion). More importantly, you may receive
suggestions as to ways to improve the design. If you are lucky, you may
even have a
Hi Arron,
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 04:16:15PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> I'm closing this discussion for now.
What you started you can't really stop now. You started a C vs. C++
debate, and it will be a few more posts away until everyone calms down.
> I know what I have in mind, and
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 04:12:51PM -0700, Brent Fulgham wrote:
> Ideally, a library would (in addition to it's C++ functionality) have
> a C interface that doesn't really deal with the issue of objects.
> Say, something that would accept some standard C types and structs,
> and return same.
in oth
* Ossama Othman said:
> > mean, you can buy a small car - a "shopping bag on wheels" and then buy a
> > new engine just to be able to tow a trailer :)) - it is possible, but not
> > cost-effective and sensible - you can buy a larger and stronger car at once
> > :)). Maybe the example isn't per
* Aaron Van Couwenberghe said:
> Yes, I see everyone's points. I know what you're saying. I'll keep it in
> mind; you've made your arguments. I just would like to see an end to this
> fledgling flamefest ;P
Well, I saw no flames... Just a discussion but, hey, who am I to judge...?
marek
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On 20 May, Marek Habersack wrote:
> * Ossama Othman said:
> > What's not clean about it? It's a very simple wrapper? Also, what
> > doesn't make sense? It has been taken out of context so you don't know
> > what it is used for but it conveys the general idea, I think. I'm
> Oh, you got me
* Brent Fulgham said:
> > > Simple. :-)
> > Perhaps, but not clean. And doesn't make sense in this
> > particular case...
> > Remember the rule of the Ockham's Razor I think it should
> > be obeyed
> > here...
> >
>
> I think the real problem is in trying to export a language-specific
> co
* Ossama Othman said:
Hi, Ossama
> > implementation on the GNU platform, which is now in its young days - it's
> > constantly changing, the features are being added, standard being
> > implemented in more and more detail. This situation will no doubt incurr
> > many changes both in the source
> * Ossama Othman said:
>
> > > Why? Tell me how I pass a C++ object to C, Fortran or Pascal.
> >
> > The same way you pass fortran to C: use wrappers, for
> example. Here is
> > one way of passing a static C++ method to a C function (e.g. signal
> > system call) in C++ code:
> >
> > extern
* Ossama Othman said:
> > > Simple. :-)
> > Perhaps, but not clean. And doesn't make sense in this particular case...
> > Remember the rule of the Ockham's Razor I think it should be obeyed
> > here...
>
> What's not clean about it? It's a very simple wrapper? Also, what
> doesn't make
Hi Marek,
On 19 May, Marek Habersack wrote:
> * Ossama Othman said:
>, but rather to it's
> implementation on the GNU platform, which is now in its young days - it's
> constantly changing, the features are being added, standard being
> implemented in more and more detail. This situation will
Hi,
> > extern "C" void
> > Base_cleanup (void *object, void *)
> > {
> > Base::cleanup (object, 0);
> > }
> >
> > Simple. :-)
> Perhaps, but not clean. And doesn't make sense in this particular case...
> Remember the rule of the Ockham's Razor I think it should be obeyed
> here...
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 01:37:53AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> > As far as writing it, no. As far as getting something like this accepted,
> > it's going to take time, no question about it.
>
> I think I'll be looking forward to seeing your code.
Oh, um, I didn't mean to downplay the l
* Ossama Othman said:
> > Why? Tell me how I pass a C++ object to C, Fortran or Pascal.
>
> The same way you pass fortran to C: use wrappers, for example. Here is
> one way of passing a static C++ method to a C function (e.g. signal
> system call) in C++ code:
>
> extern "C" void
> Base_clean
* Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho said:
> On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:01:12PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> > Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I
> > can't understand how anybody could live without it.
>
> Agreed. Too bad C++ does not support parametric polymorp
* Aaron Van Couwenberghe said:
> Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I
> can't understand how anybody could live without it.
Is it? AFAICS none of the traditional languages like Pascal or C has
polimorphism at its base...
> > In particular, there are established
Hi,
On 19 May, David Starner wrote:
> Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> > This is simply not true.
> Why? Tell me how I pass a C++ object to C, Fortran or Pascal.
The same way you pass fortran to C: use wrappers, for example. Here is
one way of passing a static C++ method to a C function (e.g.
On Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:01:12PM -0700, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I
> can't understand how anybody could live without it.
Agreed. Too bad C++ does not support parametric polymorphism too well.
Templates come close, so t
Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> Polymorphism is such an obvious pillar of structured programming that I
> can't understand how anybody could live without it.
Polymorphism is not a pillar of structured programming languages. The
major structured programming languages - the Algols, Pascal, C,
Modu
On Thu, May 20, 1999 at 12:50:19AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> That seems... the wrong way around.
>
see comments below ;P
> One alternative that's probably worth considering is improving libdpkg, so
> that Apt and friends can make use of dpkg that way, and provide their own
> front ends howev
On Wed, 19 May 1999, Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote:
> Notably, I'm going to be writing it in C++. This will add about 270k
> to the boot disks' root image, but as the floppy install methods are for the
> most part phasing out under the shadow of easier methods, I'm not going to
> lose any sle
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