Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-05 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi pabs, On Sa 05 Jan 2013 02:50:47 CET Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Mike Gabriel wrote: Slightly different approach: However, for serious server deployments we in Debian might want to think about supporting older releases a little longer than atm. A scheme like veryol

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-05 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Thomas, On Sa 05 Jan 2013 07:03:25 CET Thomas Goirand wrote: On 01/05/2013 09:50 AM, Paul Wise wrote: Please check out these links if you want to make this happen. Probably an initial target of supporting oldstable for the same length of time as stable (instead of just a year) is a good fi

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-05 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Neil, On Sa 05 Jan 2013 09:58:48 CET Neil Williams wrote: On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:03:25 +0800 Thomas Goirand wrote: On 01/05/2013 09:50 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > > Please check out these links if you want to make this happen. Probably > an initial target of supporting oldstable for the same l

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-05 Thread Neil Williams
On Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:03:25 +0800 Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 01/05/2013 09:50 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > > > > Please check out these links if you want to make this happen. Probably > > an initial target of supporting oldstable for the same length of time > > as stable (instead of just a year) is a

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 01/05/2013 09:50 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > > Please check out these links if you want to make this happen. Probably > an initial target of supporting oldstable for the same length of time > as stable (instead of just a year) is a good first goal to achieve > before adding more supported suites. I a

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 01/05/2013 01:28 AM, alberto fuentes wrote: > The few people on the list seems happy with it. If this is working > well, it needs a little more love on debian.org and a 'testing-cut' > link in the repos pointing to latest cut, so it can be set on > sources.list and forgotten Yes, we need to adv

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 5:09 AM, Mike Gabriel wrote: > Slightly different approach: However, for serious server deployments we in > Debian might want to think about supporting older releases a little longer > than atm. > > A scheme like > > veryoldstable -> oldstable -> stable -> testing -> unsta

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread Harald Jenny
On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 10:09:42PM +0100, Mike Gabriel wrote: > Hi Alberto, hi all, Hi Mike > > On Do 03 Jan 2013 19:18:27 CET alberto fuentes wrote: > > >Ubuntu has done some poor decisions but it has done some other that are > >okay. We should consider merging some of them back. > >Im thinkin

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread Игорь Пашев
What is the defference: 1. Insert a new stage between "stable" and "testing" and 2. double the period of automatic migration from "unstable" to "testing"? m? :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lis

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread Mike Gabriel
Hi Alberto, hi all, On Do 03 Jan 2013 19:18:27 CET alberto fuentes wrote: Ubuntu has done some poor decisions but it has done some other that are okay. We should consider merging some of them back. Im thinking about the 6 months release thing. Without further ado, here's the proposal pre-draft:

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread alberto fuentes
Im adding the cut-team to the loop. Original message: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2013/01/msg00082.html On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > AFAIK there is already an ongoing effort to provide an usable updated > rolling release of Debian. > > http://joeyh.

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread The Wanderer
On 01/04/2013 09:15 AM, Thomas Preud'homme wrote: Le vendredi 4 janvier 2013 05:44:57, The Wanderer a écrit : That doesn't seem to match my experience. I most commonly encounter apt-listbugs bug lists via 'apt-get dist-upgrade'. If I say "no" in response to the list of bugs, and then run 'apt

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-04 Thread Thomas Preud'homme
Le vendredi 4 janvier 2013 05:44:57, The Wanderer a écrit : > > That doesn't seem to match my experience. > > I most commonly encounter apt-listbugs bug lists via 'apt-get > dist-upgrade'. If I say "no" in response to the list of bugs, and then run > 'apt-get dist-upgrade' again, I see the same l

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-03 Thread Reinhard Tartler
On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 7:18 PM, alberto fuentes wrote: > _Proposal_: > Add a new release stage between stable and testing. Called usable or > whatever name we find fit for it > > stable <- <- testing <- sid > > Migrate packages after a period* in testing without RC bugs. > *a 2-4 weeks seems reas

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 01/03/2013 06:32 PM, gregor herrmann wrote: On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 05:12:03 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: No, because apt-listbugs exists and provides a nice interface so users don't have to care about pinning details for themselves. Can apt-listbugs do anything more than abort the entir

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-03 Thread Michael Goetze
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 01/03/2013 08:15 PM, Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez wrote: > http://cut.debian.net/ > > > Isn't this (more or less) what you are asking for? Isn't this (more or less) dead? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: U

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-03 Thread gregor herrmann
On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 05:12:03 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > > * Pin packages with RC bugs on upgrade. This is: > > > - Non trivial: it makes you understand how bad the bug is and know how > > > the pinning system works > > No, because apt-listbugs exists and provides a nice interface so

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-03 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Thu, Jan 03, 2013 at 11:45:45PM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote: > > * Pin packages with RC bugs on upgrade. This is: > > - Non trivial: it makes you understand how bad the bug is and know how > > the pinning system works > > No and yes. > > No, because apt-listbugs exists and provides a nic

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-03 Thread gregor herrmann
On Thu, 03 Jan 2013 19:18:27 +0100, alberto fuentes wrote: > The only ways to prevent this if you are running the more or less > up-to-date testing are: > * Pin packages with RC bugs on upgrade. This is: > - Non trivial: it makes you understand how bad the bug is and know how > the pinning sy

Re: Time to merge back ubuntu improvements!

2013-01-03 Thread Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
On 03/01/13 19:18, alberto fuentes wrote: > Request for comments! AFAIK there is already an ongoing effort to provide an usable updated rolling release of Debian. http://joeyh.name/code/debian/cut/ http://cut.debian.net/ Isn't this (more or less) what you are asking for? signature.asc Descr