On Sat, Apr 09, 2005 at 05:15:34PM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 08:10:58PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 09:36:36AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > > sausage-machine style. Then of course you need to keep it up to date as
> > > > well.
>
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 08:10:58PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 09:36:36AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > > sausage-machine style. Then of course you need to keep it up to date as
> > > well.
> >
> > I think that last phrase is the major problem...
>
> Yep, likewi
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 08:09:16PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
>
> Yep. The problem is that you need umpteen iterations for the
> installation and you'll end up changing the FAI setup, installing,
> waiting half an hour, testing, doesn't work, change FAI, repeat.
Been there, done that, got t
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 09:36:36AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 10:30:26AM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote:
> > FAI can be a total disaster recovery solution when you couple it with your
> > backups, however I will freely admit that it takes a lot of time (and
> > testing) to
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 08:09:16PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
> > > > That's not true. If you can script it, FAI can do it. It just becomes a
> > > > post-installation task. Using packages.d.o as an example, it's just
> > > > going to
> > > > be a predominantly an Apache configuration and so
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 09:36:36AM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > sausage-machine style. Then of course you need to keep it up to date as
> > well.
>
> I think that last phrase is the major problem...
Yep, likewise. I still think having each part of our infrastructure as a
package would be a g
On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 10:46:35AM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote:
> > > That's not true. If you can script it, FAI can do it. It just becomes a
> > > post-installation task. Using packages.d.o as an example, it's just going
> > > to
> > > be a predominantly an Apache configuration and some scripts,
On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 10:30:26AM +1000, Andrew Pollock wrote:
> FAI can be a total disaster recovery solution when you couple it with your
> backups, however I will freely admit that it takes a lot of time (and
> testing) to get it such that you can punch out an identical box,
> sausage-machine s
On Thu, 7 Apr 2005, Bernd Eckenfels wrote:
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
FAI can be a total disaster recovery solution when you couple it with your
backups
However mindi/mondo is easier :)
For the recovery issue perhaps (I never managed it to work BTW), but not for
the documentation iss
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote:
> FAI can be a total disaster recovery solution when you couple it with your
> backups
However mindi/mondo is easier :)
Gruss
Bernd
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On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 06:32:02AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Andrew Pollock wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 08:38:17PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > > Andreas Tille wrote:
> > > > >My point: We need the possibility to recreate the current Debian
> > > > >infrastructure for proposing chan
Andrew Pollock wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 08:38:17PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > Andreas Tille wrote:
> > > >My point: We need the possibility to recreate the current Debian
> > > >infrastructure for proposing changes to the current situation.
> > > Not only this, we need the possibility
On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 08:38:17PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote:
> Andreas Tille wrote:
> > >My point: We need the possibility to recreate the current Debian
> > >infrastructure for proposing changes to the current situation.
> > Not only this, we need the possibility to setup an alternate machine q
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Martin Schulze wrote:
Why not setting up important machines with FAI?
Because that's not the solution.
Installing a machine with Debian is not the problem.
Sure.
Installing and/or recreating the services on them is.
This requires manual work, either during the recreation
phase o
Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
>
> >I was thinking of packages for important parts of the Debian
> >infrastructure.
> Sure.
>
> I absolutely agree with the approach to package infrastructure. Once this
> is done use FAI.
Feel free to start this effort. Debi
Andreas Tille wrote:
> >My point: We need the possibility to recreate the current Debian
> >infrastructure for proposing changes to the current situation.
> Not only this, we need the possibility to setup an alternate machine quickly
> in case of hardware problems. And we even have the solution in
> So changing the way Debian runs should be more like:
>
> - find a problem (easy :))
> - create a team to work on it (not as easy ;-)
> - implement a proposed solution and test how it performs
> - have a vote if it should be adopted as official
- document it
:-)
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* Torsten Landschoff
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| but it is still knowledge that is not distributed.
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Setting up the Debian infrastructure isn't hard, for the biggest pa
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
I was thinking of packages for important parts of the Debian
infrastructure.
Sure.
I absolutely agree with the approach to package infrastructure. Once this
is done use FAI.
Kind regards
Andreas.
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On Tue, Apr 05, 2005 at 10:04:38AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> >My point: We need the possibility to recreate the current Debian
> >infrastructure for proposing changes to the current situation.
> Not only this, we need the possibility to setup an alternate machine quickly
> in case
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
My point: We need the possibility to recreate the current Debian
infrastructure for proposing changes to the current situation.
Not only this, we need the possibility to setup an alternate machine quickly
in case of hardware problems. And we even have
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