Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-10 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 04:42:25PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote: > Turns out that including file:///usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading- > checklist.txt.gz in the error message works as well (this launches ark which > lists a clickable file. That's 2 clicks instead of one, but still faster than

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-10 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Friday, September 9, 2016 11:14:09 AM CEST Holger Levsen wrote: > I'd actually prefer if the text would point to > /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz - alternativly > maybe it could point to both the local file and the web URL. I want the warning message to have a clikable

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-09 Thread Simon McVittie
On Fri, 09 Sep 2016 at 18:11:05 +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: > On 08.09.2016 21:54, Ralf Treinen wrote: > > That is certainly not true for orphaned packages with minimal maintenance > > by the QA team. At least when I do a QA upload I usually don't bump the > > Standards-Version field, simply bec

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-09 Thread Markus Koschany
On 08.09.2016 21:54, Ralf Treinen wrote: > On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 05:28:18PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: >> On 08.09.2016 14:30, Ian Jackson wrote: >>> Emmanuel Bourg writes ("Re: Network access during build"): That makes sense, but in this case what is the usefulness of the Standards-

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-09 Thread Ian Jackson
Emmanuel Bourg writes ("Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated"): > Le 8/09/2016 à 17:39, Russ Allbery a écrit : > > If you're just automatically updating it without ever looking at how > > Policy has changed, then yes, it's not useful. And I don'

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-09 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Sep 09, 2016 at 01:10:52PM +0200, Dominique Dumont wrote: > On Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:39:01 AM CEST Russ Allbery wrote: > > If Lintian says that the Standards-Version field is out of date, I then > > open /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz, scroll down > > to the

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-09 Thread Dominique Dumont
On Thursday, September 8, 2016 8:39:01 AM CEST Russ Allbery wrote: > If Lintian says that the Standards-Version field is out of date, I then > open /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz, scroll down > to the current value of Standards-Version, and then read backwards to the > top,

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-09 Thread Emmanuel Bourg
Le 8/09/2016 à 17:39, Russ Allbery a écrit : > If you're just automatically updating it without ever looking at how > Policy has changed, then yes, it's not useful. And I don't think it's > very useful to publish. That's indeed what happens most of the time. The set of packages maintained by the

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 08:39:01AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > If Lintian says that the Standards-Version field is out of date, I then > open /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz, scroll down > to the current value of Standards-Version, and then read backwards to the > t

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Ralf Treinen
On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 05:28:18PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: > On 08.09.2016 14:30, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Emmanuel Bourg writes ("Re: Network access during build"): > >> That makes sense, but in this case what is the usefulness of the > >> Standards-Version field? And more precisely, why is it

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Tobias Frost
On Thu, Sep 08, 2016 at 06:37:33PM +0200, Markus Koschany wrote: > > On 08.09.2016 17:39, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > > Markus Koschany writes: > > > > > > > > I have written a macro to update the Standards-Version field > > > because it > > > is such a boring task. Declaring compliance with the

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Josh Triplett
[Please CC me on replies.] Steve McIntyre wrote: > Josh Triplett wrote: > >Ian Jackson wrote: > >> Editing the Standards-Version field is surely a small task, compared > >> to the work of checking the policy updates against the package. > > > >Not necessarily. You can check Policy once for the di

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Ian Jackson
Josh Triplett writes ("Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated"): > Ian Jackson wrote: > > Editing the Standards-Version field is surely a small task, compared > > to the work of checking the policy updates against the package. > > Not necessarily. Yo

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Thu, 08 Sep 2016, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: > We could reduce the policy checklist to issues not covered/coverable by > Lintian tests (which should be a rather small subset of overall policy > changes). Please don't. Feel free to annotate these, but don't remove them... I would rather not depe

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Moritz Mühlenhoff
Josh Triplett schrieb: > I do see value in documenting the version of Policy a package complies > with. However, I can also imagine some approaches to eliminate the > busywork. We could reduce the policy checklist to issues not covered/coverable by Lintian tests (which should be a rather small s

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Steve McIntyre
Josh Triplett wrote: >Ian Jackson wrote: >> Editing the Standards-Version field is surely a small task, compared >> to the work of checking the policy updates against the package. > >Not necessarily. You can check Policy once for the differences >introduced with a new version, determine quickly fr

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Josh Triplett
Ian Jackson wrote: > Editing the Standards-Version field is surely a small task, compared > to the work of checking the policy updates against the package. Not necessarily. You can check Policy once for the differences introduced with a new version, determine quickly from the nature of the change

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Ian Jackson
Markus Koschany writes ("Standards-Version field should be deprecated"): > > The field is useful because it shows the most recent version of the > > policy that the package has been checked against. It is useful to > > occasionally update packages to the latest standards, and the > > Standards-Ver

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Markus Koschany
On 08.09.2016 17:39, Russ Allbery wrote: > Markus Koschany writes: > >> I have written a macro to update the Standards-Version field because it >> is such a boring task. Declaring compliance with the Policy over and >> over again by updating this field and mentioning it in the d/changelog, >> doe

Re: Standards-Version field should be deprecated

2016-09-08 Thread Russ Allbery
Markus Koschany writes: > I have written a macro to update the Standards-Version field because it > is such a boring task. Declaring compliance with the Policy over and > over again by updating this field and mentioning it in the d/changelog, > doesn't strike me as being a useful task. There are