This one time, at band camp, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
>Ahh it already exists! Cool. Well then it is a bug on the www pages.
>Missing here ...
>http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities
It was at http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#tags when I looked today...
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On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:22:10PM +0100, Peter Mathiasson wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:45:01PM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> > > +> the "help" tag already present and exactly for this purpose:
> > >
> > > Ola> Ahh it already exists! Cool. Well then it is a bug on the www
> > > pages.
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:45:01PM +0100, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> > +> the "help" tag already present and exactly for this purpose:
> >
> > Ola> Ahh it already exists! Cool. Well then it is a bug on the www pages.
> > Ola> Missing here ... http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities
> >
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 06:42:27AM -0500, Chris Danis wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, "Ola" == Ola Lundqvist wrote:
>
> Ola> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:27:20AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
> +> the "help" tag already present and exactly for this purpose:
>
> Ola> Ahh it already exist
> On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, "Ola" == Ola Lundqvist wrote:
Ola> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:27:20AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
+> the "help" tag already present and exactly for this purpose:
Ola> Ahh it already exists! Cool. Well then it is a bug on the www pages.
Ola> Missing here ... http
On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:27:20AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Hi Ola,
Hi again
> the "help" tag already present and exactly for this purpose:
>
>help
> The maintainer is requesting help with dealing with this bug.
Ahh it already exists! Cool. Well then it is a bug on the www page
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 11:24:12PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > [3] "tries to fix" means that he looks into the bug. I do expect a
> > maintainer to be able to fix a "missing build dependency on xyz" bug
> > or to forward the bug to upstream. OT
Hi
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 11:24:12PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> [3] "tries to fix" means that he looks into the bug. I do expect a
> maintainer to be able to fix a "missing build dependency on xyz" bug
> or to forward the bug to upstream. OTOH it's clear that there are
> cases where
Hi,
I may have misinterpreted your earlier message.
www.debian.org/devel is probably is a good place to start.
http://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php for those who have managed to
figure out the basics.
The New Maintainer's Guide is very well written and baby-steps
you through making your first package
On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 17:29, Colin Walters wrote:
> > > The target audience is everyone who uses a computer.
> >
> > OK, but that is not very clear a goal. What do we want with all those
> > people? Do we want them all to use Debian? If so, what should be done to
> > accomplish this goals?
>
> Ye
On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 19:08, Rick Younie wrote:
> Great post. I hope you do find your place to start and don't get
> discouraged and move on to something else.
Of all the posts on this thread... Let's just say there are ways to get
people involved and ways to get people to go away. This belongs t
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 05:55:38PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> I certainly didn't want to diminish the work you're doing, but I still think
> we have to find better ways to release. potato is too old right now and most
> people I do talk to, tell me they don't care about all these packages, but
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Heath) writes:
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Adrian Bunk wrote:
>
> > One important thing are more frequent releases. We don't have to release
> > as often as other distributions but IMHO it's needed to have a new stable
> > release at about once a year.
[ ...]
> Sure, everyone ag
On Sun, Jan 06, 2002 at 11:56:38AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> But like I said, that wouldn't buy as anything: the *hardest* parts are
> getting base and standard working properly, once they're done, it's not overly
Okay, good point.
> Well, in a sense they don't: it's the fact that the core pa
* Bas Zoetekouw
| You wrote:
|
| > Then you are _very_ wrong. There are too many and too complicated
| > questions asked for a «normal user», whatever that is. You have to be
| > interested and/or have somebody help you install Debian, else you will
| > give up halfway.
|
| Maybe we we should
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 09:15:41PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 11:37:46PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > It's already pretty split-up: we have base, we have standard, and we
> That's what I meant to say. The only think we don't have is the release of
> base/standard wi
Hi Tollef!
You wrote:
> Then you are _very_ wrong. There are too many and too complicated
> questions asked for a «normal user», whatever that is. You have to be
> interested and/or have somebody help you install Debian, else you will
> give up halfway.
Maybe we we should have two modes: a ``u
On Sat, Jan 05, 2002 at 04:43:10PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Adam Majer
> | clear.. For even a novice admin that is... After all, isn't admins
> | or admin-wanna-bees what are installing a new system anyway? IMHO, I
> | don't think that there is anything too cryptic being asked for
> | des
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 09:15:41PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 11:37:46PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > I agree completely. With our current testing setup this shouldn't be too
> > > difficult to do.
> > It's already pretty split-up: we have base, we have standard, a
* Adam Majer
| IMHO, there is a _huge_ amount of servers that are not connected
| from main page... As of a week ago I could not find any links to
| qa.d.o, nm.d.o, buildd.d.o, etc It would be nice to have them at
| d.o/devel
nm.d.o is linked from http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ which is
l
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 12:59:58PM -0500, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> Do we have a list anywhere of the remaining issues holding up the
> woody freeze/release? Some sort of well-known "release status" Web page
> would help coordination. (we have an RC bug list, but as far as I know it
> doesn't sho
Colin Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Yes, of course we want them all to use Debian; we claim to be the
> Universal Operating System.
> What the exact steps should be to accomplish this goal aren't
> completely clear to me, and I doubt they are to anyone else either.
How about a universal
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Lex Spoon wrote:
> [snip timeframe on deb creation]
After doing it for years, it can become very much quicker.
With properly designed upstream source(nice build system, configurable
installation, DESTDIR support), making a deb can be done in a few hours.
Lately, I have even b
* Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20020104 12:59]:
> Do we have a list anywhere of the remaining issues holding up the
> woody freeze/release?
> I know that we need to get rid of as many of the 382 release-critical
> bugs as possible, but beyond that I'm not certain at all. Is that it?
T
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 11:37:46PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > I agree completely. With our current testing setup this shouldn't be too
> > difficult to do.
>
> It's already pretty split-up: we have base, we have standard, and we
That's what I meant to say. The only think we don't have is th
On Thursday 03 January 2002 05:24 pm, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> One important thing are more frequent releases. We don't have to release
> as often as other distributions but IMHO it's needed to have a new stable
> release at about once a year. Currently the software in our stable release
> is two years
Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
>
> I agree. After all, it's voluntary to volunteer.
> But it should be very clear what is expected of you, and what you are
> willing to contribute. At the moment, much is expected, but the
> willingness can only be observed afterwards, day by day.
>
> Recent discussions
Hi Colin!
You wrote:
> What the exact steps should be to accomplish this goal aren't completely
> clear to me, and I doubt they are to anyone else either. We have come a
> long way, but there is a lot more to do. Just for example, take the
> thread about Euro support. Certainly, Europe is part
On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 09:33, Bas Zoetekouw wrote:
> While of course what you are saying here is formally correct, this
> shouldn't mean that a project consisting of hackers (such as Debian),
> shouldn't have a clear internal structure, a clear idea of what things
> people can work on, or clear idea
Hi Adam!
You wrote:
> Sure, everyone agrees. This has been hashed over and over and over. Talking
> about it doesn't help. Solve the problem.
How?
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| Bas Zoetekouw | Si l'on sait exactement ce
Hi Colin!
You wrote:
> > What the people writing about this matter seem to be after is
> > - what is expected of a maintainer?
> > - how does the debian project fit together?
> > - what can I do?
> > - what must I know to be able to do this?
> > - where do I go to ask if I must know something?
>
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 01:59:21PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > Split it up in 'core' (must fit easily on one CD) and 'added value'
> > (the other 21 CDs). Release seperately. Release often. 'core' must
> I agree completely. With our current testing setup this shouldn't be too
> difficult to do
[I think it's quite interesting to see a a thread develop upon Adrian's
original post where many people add something to this discussion but no one
bothers to answer to Mike's mail below, which IMO is a good idea.]
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 12:03:15AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> Debian is
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, ext Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> In article
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Sure, everyone agrees. This has been hashed over and over and over.
> Talking
> >about it doesn't help. Solve the problem.
>
> Debian is too big.
>
> Split it u
Fabian Fagerholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 02:23, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> > smooth introduction? you never heard of policy, maint-guide, developers'
> > reference, web pages, etc, have you?
>
> I have. That is not what I call a smooth introduction. For a person who
On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 03:22:09AM +0200, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 02:23, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> > smooth introduction? you never heard of policy, maint-guide, developers'
> > reference, web pages, etc, have you?
>
> Many operating systems have accompanying "certific
On Thu, 2002-01-03 at 18:33, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
> What the people writing about this matter seem to be after is
> - what is expected of a maintainer?
> - how does the debian project fit together?
> - what can I do?
> - what must I know to be able to do this?
> - where do I go to ask if I must
On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 02:23, Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
> smooth introduction? you never heard of policy, maint-guide, developers'
> reference, web pages, etc, have you?
I have. That is not what I call a smooth introduction. For a person who
can devote, say 24 hours per month to working on a pro
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:24:12 +0100 (CET)
Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One important thing are more frequent releases. We don't have to release
> as often as other distributions but IMHO it's needed to have a new stable
totally agreed, I hope debian-installer will be one of the solutions
On 04 Jan 2002 01:33:35 +0200
Fabian Fagerholm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the real "debian problem" is not about maintainers MIA, orphaned
> packages or slow release cycles. The real problem is about lack of
> smooth introduction of new participants, and a complicated, undocumented
> int
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Sure, everyone agrees. This has been hashed over and over and over. Talking
>about it doesn't help. Solve the problem.
Debian is too big.
Split it up in 'core' (must fit easily on one CD) and 'added value'
(the other 21 CD
On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 00:24, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Most of us who work for Debian do this in our spare time. But I do
> personally disagree with the "you can't force a volunteer to do anything"
> argument I heard in several discussions. These were discussions about
> things where some work of the ma
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sure, everyone agrees. This has been hashed over and over and over. Talking
> about it doesn't help. Solve the problem.
Yeah, but I read Adrian's mail as attempting to prod people into
trying to think of solutions.
The 'testing' release is an attempted
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> One important thing are more frequent releases. We don't have to release
> as often as other distributions but IMHO it's needed to have a new stable
> release at about once a year. Currently the software in our stable release
> is two years old and
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