Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-14 Thread Dan Jacobson
Remember to make sure the Packages.gz files appear on the mirrors _after_ the packages they refer to are in place. Bug #217957. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-11 Thread Colin Watson
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 04:16:32PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > The other benefits of installing packages more quickly -- working out if > you've screwed up the upload, or that they don't build -- already happen > in response to the package getting accepted anyway. Having the Maintainers file s

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-11 Thread Andreas Barth
* Tollef Fog Heen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050110 23:35]: > FWIW, our experiences with Ubuntu shows that having fast dinstall > cycles is very helpful. You can sit and codevelop with people > uploading to the archive as you go and letting other people in on what > you are doing rather than having priv

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-10 Thread Anthony Towns
Matt Zimmerman wrote: On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:54:34PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: FWIW, our experiences with Ubuntu shows that having fast dinstall cycles is very helpful. [...] It's a variant of the ïrelease often, release earlyï principle. (Strictly, it's an instance of the principle) The dow

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
Matt Zimmerman wrote: >On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:54:34PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >> > >> >The downside of doing this is the extra load on the autobuilder >> >network, so Debian might not want to do it because of that. >> >> It might affect the mirrors, too... > >It

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-10 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Mon, Jan 10, 2005 at 10:54:34PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > > >FWIW, our experiences with Ubuntu shows that having fast dinstall > >cycles is very helpful. You can sit and codevelop with people > >uploading to the archive as you go and letting other people in on w

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-10 Thread Steve McIntyre
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > >FWIW, our experiences with Ubuntu shows that having fast dinstall >cycles is very helpful. You can sit and codevelop with people >uploading to the archive as you go and letting other people in on what >you are doing rather than having private repositories or similar >solu

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-10 Thread Joey Hess
Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > The downside of doing this is the extra load on the autobuilder > network, so Debian might not want to do it because of that. Unless we already have a lot of developers putting off an upload until another day, this is a non-issue, since the autobuilders begin as soon as a

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-10 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Steve Langasek | There are really very few concrete benefits I can see to increasing the | dinstall frequency, but one in particular is to speed up debian-installer | testing. Most other bugs don't require a full dinstall cycle to give people | a good idea whether they've been fixed, but the i

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Anthony Towns
Robert Lemmen wrote: On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:12:34AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: All of the benefits I've thought of from running dinstall more often really only apply to unstable package churn issues. Running britney more often sounds relatively orthagonal actually, though it does sound useful for

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 02:45:12PM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: > On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:36:11 +1100, Andrew Pollock wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:16:27AM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: > >> http://wiki.debian.net/?RunDinstallHourly (part of the ReleaseProposals > >> topic on wiki.debian.net) discus

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Langasek wrote: > And it's not like users want more frequent updates, either. Once a day is > plenty often to be fiddling with apt-get; many sid users don't update nearly > that often, after all. But we still get good coverage of each set of changes distriuted amoung our users even if most

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Kevin Mark
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 11:16:44PM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: > On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:04:37 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:08:47PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > >> Ken Bloom wrote: > >> > http://wiki.debian.net/?RunDinstallHourly (part of the > >> > ReleaseProposals topic

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Robert Lemmen
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:12:34AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > All of the benefits I've thought of from running dinstall more often > really only apply to unstable package churn issues. Running britney more > often sounds relatively orthagonal actually, though it does sound useful > for those annoyin

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Joey Hess
Steve Langasek wrote: > Twice daily seems more reasonable to me than hourly; for release purposes, > another factor is how often britney runs, since that's what triggers changes > in the testing suite. Doubling the frequency of britney runs seems > reasonable to me, but hourly would surely be over

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 11:16:44PM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: > On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:04:37 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Twice daily seems more reasonable to me than hourly; > Why? If you run it only twice daily, then the developers who are awake at > one run will probably be asleep at the next

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-05 Thread Ken Bloom
On Tue, 04 Jan 2005 18:04:37 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:08:47PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: >> Ken Bloom wrote: >> > http://wiki.debian.net/?RunDinstallHourly (part of the >> > ReleaseProposals topic on wiki.debian.net) discusses the concept of >> > speeding up the relea

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-04 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 08:08:47PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Ken Bloom wrote: > > http://wiki.debian.net/?RunDinstallHourly (part of the ReleaseProposals > > topic on wiki.debian.net) discusses the concept of speeding up the release > > process by running dinstall hourly instead of once per day. Th

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-04 Thread Joey Hess
Ken Bloom wrote: > http://wiki.debian.net/?RunDinstallHourly (part of the ReleaseProposals > topic on wiki.debian.net) discusses the concept of speeding up the release > process by running dinstall hourly instead of once per day. This seems (to > my amateur eyes) like a technically simple change to

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-04 Thread Ken Bloom
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 09:36:11 +1100, Andrew Pollock wrote: > On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:16:27AM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: >> http://wiki.debian.net/?RunDinstallHourly (part of the ReleaseProposals >> topic on wiki.debian.net) discusses the concept of speeding up the >> release process by running dins

Re: RunDinstallHourly

2005-01-04 Thread Andrew Pollock
On Tue, Jan 04, 2005 at 10:16:27AM -0800, Ken Bloom wrote: > http://wiki.debian.net/?RunDinstallHourly (part of the ReleaseProposals > topic on wiki.debian.net) discusses the concept of speeding up the release > process by running dinstall hourly instead of once per day. This seems (to > my amateur