Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-18 Thread Paul Seelig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Schwandter) writes: > author's opinion the gtk+ version (snd) is far inferiour to the > openmotif version (snd-dmotif), so I would like to add a note about that > in README.Debian, so that users that don't know snd yet will install the > more useful package snd-dmotif (wh

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:49:13AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > > Upstream doesn't support lesstif anymore. > > > > It sounds like upstream basically doesn't want a free software > > package. > > Maybe they simply don't care? In any event, we a

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Philip Brown
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 04:50:51PM +0200, Stefan Schwandter wrote: >... > And it doesn't make sense if I compile the program with lesstif, as long > as upstream doesn't want to support it, because if people file bug > reports against snd in debian, and I forward it to him, he'll most > probably not

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Stefan Schwandter
Samuel Hocevar wrote: >Well, the interface has a few glitches, but it remains extremely > usable. At least it compiled flawlessly against lesstif on my Sid box > (both snd 5.8 and 5.9). Did you also compile the xm module (configure --with-static-xm)? I get errors when trying to do that, and t

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Samuel Hocevar
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002, Stefan Schwandter wrote: > > When was the last time you tried to compile snd with Lesstif? > > Today. It didn't work. Maybe it will work one day, but now it doesn't. Well, the interface has a few glitches, but it remains extremely usable. At least it compiled flawlessly

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 05:07:03PM +0200, Stefan Schwandter wrote: > Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > Simply because gtk+ support is newer and still not finished. > > Then the solution is to improve it. > I am still hoping that gtk support will improve, but at the moment, it > doesn't seem that upstre

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Michael Banck
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:16:11AM +0200, Samuel Hocevar wrote: > On Tue, Apr 16, 2002, Stefan Schwandter wrote: > >Yes. Debian does prefer free software, so let's use free software > and distribute free software. Are you and/or the snd author aware of > the existence of LessTif? snd is even o

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:49:13AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > Upstream doesn't support lesstif anymore. > > It sounds like upstream basically doesn't want a free software > package. Maybe they simply don't care? In any event, we are here to care, about both free software and the users

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Stefan Schwandter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Upstream doesn't support lesstif anymore. It sounds like upstream basically doesn't want a free software package. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Stefan Schwandter
Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > Simply because gtk+ support is newer and still not finished. > Then the solution is to improve it. I am still hoping that gtk support will improve, but at the moment, it doesn't seem that upstream wants to spend much time on it. Maybe he will some time in the future,

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread David Starner
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 09:27:56AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > This has been mentioned before; however, the goal of the Lesstif project > is to provide complete compatibility -- ABI and API -- with the Motif > libraries. They're still a long way away from being Motif 2.1 compatibile. -- D

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Stefan Schwandter
Steve Langasek wrote: > > Of course, I should have mentioned this. LessTif doesn't work for snd, > > so this compatibility list seems to be wrong or (more probably) > > outdated. > > Upstream doesn't support lesstif anymore. > This has been mentioned before; however, the goal of the Lesstif proj

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Steve Langasek
Stefan, On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 01:35:47PM +0200, Stefan Schwandter wrote: > Samuel Hocevar wrote: > >Yes. Debian does prefer free software, so let's use free software > > and distribute free software. Are you and/or the snd author aware of > > the existence of LessTif? snd is even on their c

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Wed, Apr 17, 2002 at 07:47:55AM +0200, Stefan Schwandter wrote: > Simply because gtk+ support is newer and still not finished. Then the solution is to improve it. > >From the README: > > Gtk+ is not as sophisticated as Motif, and the port is still somewhat > new, so there are a number of dif

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Stefan Schwandter
Samuel Hocevar wrote: >Yes. Debian does prefer free software, so let's use free software > and distribute free software. Are you and/or the snd author aware of > the existence of LessTif? snd is even on their compatibility list: > http://chronos.cs.msu.su/LessTif/apps.html >If I'm not ter

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread David N. Welton
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Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Samuel Hocevar
On Tue, Apr 16, 2002, Stefan Schwandter wrote: > I know that debian prefers free software, but the interests of our users > have even more priority, so I think it would be right to add such a > note. > > Any objections? Yes. Debian does prefer free software, so let's use free software and dis

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Stefan Schwandter
Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: > > I know that debian prefers free software, but the interests of our users > > have even more priority, so I think it would be right to add such a > > note. > The interests of our users do not have *more* priority, as if they > were ranked. But if both conflict, you

Re: Recommending non-free software

2002-04-17 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Stefan Schwandter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I know that debian prefers free software, but the interests of our users > have even more priority, so I think it would be right to add such a > note. The interests of our users do not have *more* priority, as if they were ranked. Perhaps if you co