Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-11 Thread Felipe Sateler
On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 23:02:42 +, Simon McVittie wrote: > (I'm increasingly of the opinion that semver is an over-simplification > that fails on contact with the real world - in particular, if foo 1.2.3 > is in a stable branch of a larger environment like Debian, you fix 17 > minor bugs and rele

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jan 09, 2017, at 02:28 PM, Michael Lustfield wrote: >Python uses the microversion position for this. More importantly... is this >really a point that matters? Not really. In Debian terms you might think about the first digit as an epoch, the second digit as a major version and the third digi

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-09 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 09 Jan 2017 at 14:28:07 -0800, Michael Lustfield wrote: > If 3.5 to 3.6 was a typical "minor version," our expectation > would be that the update comes with security updates and bug fixes > (not feature changes). That isn't semver. Semver minor version increments add features in a backward

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-09 Thread Michael Lustfield
On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 05:35:34AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: >> > Andrey Rahmatullin writes: >> > >> > > On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 06:55:45PM +0100, Galbo Branbert wrote: >> > > > Thanks for the info, didn't know that th

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-09 Thread Ben Finney
Adam Borowski writes: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 05:35:34AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > Andrey Rahmatullin writes: > > > > > On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 06:55:45PM +0100, Galbo Branbert wrote: > > > > Thanks for the info, didn't know that the transition freeze was > > > > actually the version freez

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 05:35:34AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: >> Galbo is referring correctly to the minor version, as specified in >> https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0440/> and Semantic Versioning >> http://semver.org/>. >> So, “3.5.3” → “3.5.4” is a change of patch ve

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-09 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 05:35:34AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Andrey Rahmatullin writes: > > > On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 06:55:45PM +0100, Galbo Branbert wrote: > > > Thanks for the info, didn't know that the transition freeze was actually > > > the version freeze for minor versions of Python. > >

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-09 Thread Ben Finney
Andrey Rahmatullin writes: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 06:55:45PM +0100, Galbo Branbert wrote: > > Thanks for the info, didn't know that the transition freeze was actually > > the version freeze for minor versions of Python. > A minor version upgrade would be 3.5.3 -> 3.5.4. 3.5 -> 3.6 is a lot of

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-08 Thread Matthias Klose
On 08.01.2017 17:27, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 04:58:01PM +0100, Galbo Branbert wrote: >> I couldn't find any official statement if Python 3.6 will be the default >> interpreter in stretch (as it was the current stable when the soft freeze >> happened it should be, right?) >

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-08 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 06:55:45PM +0100, Galbo Branbert wrote: > Thanks for the info, didn't know that the transition freeze was actually > the version freeze for minor versions of Python. A minor version upgrade would be 3.5.3 -> 3.5.4. 3.5 -> 3.6 is a lot of changes. -- WBR, wRAR signature

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-08 Thread Galbo Branbert
Thanks for the info, didn't know that the transition freeze was actually the version freeze for minor versions of Python. (and that 3.6 is not in Stretch, oops) For the next version of Debian it would be nice to know the version that will be included in the 'Bits from the Stable Release Managers' m

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 06:27:57PM +0200, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > Python 3.6 isn't even in experimental yet This bit was wrong. 3.6 is in experimental. That doesn't change my point about a transition being too late now, however. -- I want to build worthwhile things that might last. --joeyh sig

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-08 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 04:58:01PM +0100, Galbo Branbert wrote: > I couldn't find any official statement if Python 3.6 will be the default > interpreter in stretch (as it was the current stable when the soft freeze > happened it should be, right?) Python 3.6 was released 23 December. The stretch t

Re: Python 3.6 in stretch

2017-01-08 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 04:58:01PM +0100, Galbo Branbert wrote: > I couldn't find any official statement if Python 3.6 will be the default > interpreter in stretch (as it was the current stable when the soft freeze > happened it should be, right?) python3.6 is not even in sid so no. -- WBR, wRAR