Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2007-04-10 13:51:13, schrieb Neil Williams: > IANAL, but being open source, a patent lawyer would probably try to > claim that distributing the code ALLOWS the infringement of the patent > as if that makes Debian complicit in the infringement. Whether the code > actually does include an implemen

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Matthias Julius
Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > There is an argument that source code can only be a description whereas > a binary is an implementation, so only distributing binaries that > include the claimed invention could infringe. I'm not sure whether this > has been legally tested. If this hol

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Kurt Roeckx: > As far as I understand, they have been disabled because at that > time, it seems we only cared about using those, not about > distributing them. Disabling it and telling users the reason in the package documentation is sufficient, I guess. Is there consensus that we shouldn't sh

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
[Cc'd to debian-legal in the hope of some informed comment.] On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 14:53 -0400, Matthias Julius wrote: > Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Er, by definition a patent is supposed to include a complete description of > > the invention that would permit a third-party t

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Matthias Julius
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Er, by definition a patent is supposed to include a complete description of > the invention that would permit a third-party to reimplement the invention, > in exchange for granting the inventor exclusive rights to the invention for > a limited time. Wo

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 01:51:13PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote: > IANAL, but being open source, a patent lawyer would probably try to > claim that distributing the code ALLOWS the infringement of the patent > as if that makes Debian complicit in the infringement. Er, by definition a patent is supp

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 03:01:41PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Neil Williams: > > > Which are the offending libraries? > > Botan, Crypto++, BouncyCastle, a few Perl-related packages. Openssl's README.Debian contains: Some algorithms used in the library are covered by patents. As a result,

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Neil Williams: > Which are the offending libraries? Botan, Crypto++, BouncyCastle, a few Perl-related packages. > Is this mass-bug-filing intended to be against the applications that > link against the libraries or just the offending libraries > themselves? Just the libraries. Debian's crypt

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:17:13 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > On Apr 10, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on > > packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA > > algorithm -- because the p

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 10, Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on > packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm > -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. As far as I > know, no program in Debian a

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:09:23AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on > packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm > -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. As far as I > know, no program i

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Bas Zoetekouw
Hi Florian! You wrote: > I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on > packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm > -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. As far as I > know, no program in Debian actually uses this code, it's

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Pierre Habouzit: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:09:23AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: >> I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on >> packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm >> -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. > > "b

Re: Not-so-mass bug filing for the patented IDEA algorithm

2007-04-10 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 09:09:23AM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > I plan to file a couple of bugs (not too many, probably a dozen) on > packages which contain implementations of the patented IDEA algorithm > -- because the presence of that code makes them non-free. "because" ? I fail to see the