Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-28 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 02:35:11PM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 02:41:12PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: > > But may I point you to the fact that Joel just > > tried to start such a discussion (albeit only in a side note to a side > > note)? You didn't show that this was irr

Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-28 Thread Frank Küster
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [stuff] I cannot follow you, sorry. EOT. Regards, Frank -- Frank Küster Inst. f. Biochemie der Univ. Zürich Debian Developer

Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 02:41:12PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > All the rational discussion has always been about what constitutes > > 'hiding', > > I have also read discussion about what we promise not to hide (before > our users, and before fell

Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-27 Thread Steve McIntyre
Andreas Barth wrote: >* Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050127 13:55]: >> All the rational discussion has always been about what constitutes >> 'hiding', and the rational conclusion has always been the same: > >You mean: you never changed your mind? That's probably true, but that >doesn't make

Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-27 Thread Frank Küster
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All the rational discussion has always been about what constitutes > 'hiding', I have also read discussion about what we promise not to hide (before our users, and before fellow developers). I didn't get the impression that this discussion wasn't rati

Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-27 Thread Andreas Barth
* Andrew Suffield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050127 13:55]: > All the rational discussion has always been about what constitutes > 'hiding', and the rational conclusion has always been the same: You mean: you never changed your mind? That's probably true, but that doesn't make you to the master of the i

Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-27 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Jan 27, 2005 at 01:26:15PM +0100, Frank K?ster wrote: > Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:08:27PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > >> In fact, the parts you have chosen to keep, and respond to, are the far > >> *less* relevant portions of what I wrote.

Re: NM queue and groups

2005-01-27 Thread Frank Küster
Andrew Suffield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:08:27PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: >> In fact, the parts you have chosen to keep, and respond to, are the far >> *less* relevant portions of what I wrote. They existed as a demonstration >> only of one reason I consider it impo

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-27 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:08:27PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > In fact, the parts you have chosen to keep, and respond to, are the far > *less* relevant portions of what I wrote. They existed as a demonstration > only of one reason I consider it important for people to have some > agreement on what

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-26 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 10:30:01AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 06:01:26PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:06:06AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:52:48AM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > > > [1] Which is a separate ran

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-26 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 06:01:26PM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:06:06AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:52:48AM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > > [1] Which is a separate rant, and frankly, I think Debian needs to be > > > clear about what we real

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-25 Thread Joel Aelwyn
On Wed, Jan 26, 2005 at 12:06:06AM +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:52:48AM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > > [1] Which is a separate rant, and frankly, I think Debian needs to be > > clear about what we really mean by "We won't hide probles" in our Social > > Contract > > It

Re: NM queue and groups [Was: NEW queue and ftp-master approval]

2005-01-25 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Tue, Jan 25, 2005 at 10:52:48AM -0700, Joel Aelwyn wrote: > [1] Which is a separate rant, and frankly, I think Debian needs to be > clear about what we really mean by "We won't hide probles" in our Social > Contract It's a literal statement. We won't hide them. As always with the social contrac