Re: NEW processing friction

2022-03-03 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Thu 03 Mar 2022 at 08:44PM +01, Andreas Tille wrote: > Am Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 09:57:26AM -0700 schrieb Sean Whitton: >> > PS: I'm currently considering writing up some summary of the bunch >> > of threads that was born out of my initial mail. >> > >> > [1] https://lists.debian.org/

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-03-03 Thread Andreas Tille
Am Thu, Mar 03, 2022 at 09:57:26AM -0700 schrieb Sean Whitton: > > PS: I'm currently considering writing up some summary of the bunch > > of threads that was born out of my initial mail. > > > > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2022/01/msg00226.html > > Assuming I'm not misreading, th

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-03-03 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Thu 03 Mar 2022 at 07:36am +01, Andreas Tille wrote: > Hi Sean, > > Am Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 08:33:35AM -0700 schrieb Sean Whitton: >> >> I'm sorry to be responding only a month later, but I think there are >> some reasons why binNEW is not the worst place to be doing these extra >> chec

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-03-02 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Sean, Am Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 08:33:35AM -0700 schrieb Sean Whitton: > > I'm sorry to be responding only a month later, but I think there are > some reasons why binNEW is not the worst place to be doing these extra > checks: packages with SONAME bumps are typically C or C++ projects and > thes

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-03-02 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Steve, On Wed 09 Feb 2022 at 01:26pm -08, Steve Langasek wrote: > The fact that the FTP team applies license/copyright review as part of their > review of source packages has grounding in a number of goals of Debian as a > project. The existence of a binary NEW queue is also sensible, as t

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-09 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 09:28:16PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 12:06:24AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > > >> When we treat any of the above just like other RC bugs, we are accepting > > >> a lower likelihood that the bugs will be found, and also that they will > > >> b

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
On February 8, 2022 2:38:48 AM UTC, Holger Levsen wrote: >On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 09:28:16PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: >> The argument why a package which has an upstream-induced shared >> library version bump, has to go through the entire NEW gauntlet [...] > >I hear your frustration but don

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread Holger Levsen
On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 09:28:16PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > The argument why a package which has an upstream-induced shared > library version bump, has to go through the entire NEW gauntlet [...] I hear your frustration but don't you think that language like "gauntlet" makes it, uhm, very har

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 07:05:59PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon 07 Feb 2022 at 12:00PM -05, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 12:06:24AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > >> > >> When we treat any of the above just like other RC bugs, we are accepting > >> a lower li

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Mon 07 Feb 2022 at 12:00PM -05, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 12:06:24AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: >> >> When we treat any of the above just like other RC bugs, we are accepting >> a lower likelihood that the bugs will be found, and also that they will >> be fixed

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread Scott Kitterman
On February 7, 2022 6:00:16 PM UTC, John Goerzen wrote: > >On Mon, Feb 07 2022, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > >> If we can't do anything else, I suspect we can reduce project a >> friction a lot of we only subject packages to copyright hazing when it >> is a NEW source package, and not when there is a

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread John Goerzen
On Mon, Feb 07 2022, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > If we can't do anything else, I suspect we can reduce project a > friction a lot of we only subject packages to copyright hazing when it > is a NEW source package, and not when there is a NEW binary package > caused by some usptream maintainers not bei

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-07 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Mon, Feb 07, 2022 at 12:06:24AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > > When we treat any of the above just like other RC bugs, we are accepting > a lower likelihood that the bugs will be found, and also that they will > be fixed Another part of this discussion which shouldn't be lost is the probab

Re: NEW processing friction

2022-02-06 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello Russ, On Tue 25 Jan 2022 at 01:45pm -08, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonas Smedegaard writes: > >> I just don't think the solution is to ignore copyright or licensing >> statements. > > That's not the goal. The question, which keeps being raised in part > because I don't think it's gotten a goo